Alledged cheating on LiChess

[AlexChess]

Why? Cheating is serious business!

Because literally no one cares about lichess bot ratings apart from SF clones/derivatives/Frankesteins/whatever-they-want-to-call-them creators. Same applies to Playchess ratings

TRUE. Both servers are absolutely unreliables to calculate ELO rankings. If you want statistical proven data go to SPCC. I'm there only to collect games for my books and exp.

[Rebel]

TRUE. Both servers are absolutely unreliables to calculate ELO rankings. If you want statistical proven data go to SPCC. I'm there only to collect games for my books and exp.

So why not create an own clone rating list, it will solve all the accusations.

[hgm]

AlexChess' bot rating lists can really only be described as fake. Such lists do not exist on Lichess. AlexChess still reserves the right to present it as true.

Several things in these lists are discriminatory. The fact is that a high Elo number can be achieved either through cheating or through farming. There is no other way. AlexChess only practices farming + cheating (can be proven with games).

Most of us players, as you correctly interpret, only play against equally strong bots. No one who has respect wants to play against weak bots. Most of our strong players have around 3000 Elo in bullet. Because we only play against the strong ones, the rating almost always stays the same. If 98% of all our games against each other end in a draw, then no one can climb in rating, no matter how strong they are!

But ProteusSF discriminates against us. He does 100% farming, which means he gains 300 Elo more than us. Then he presents himself in his lists as the king of the players. It's a shame to only play against 2400 Elo accounts - any honest player with 3000 would be ashamed to do that. ProteusSF takes advantage of this fact, which would embarrass us, to brag about its farming and present itself as the best player.

I've reached first place several times with farming, but I only played it to prove that it's easy to come first that way. Later I deleted these accounts because first place with farming means nothing to me.

In my opinion this is bad style. With his private lists, AlexChess also defames us as worse players than he is. His lists suggest: ProteusSF is the biggest player of lichess. That's not true, we just don't want to play like him, we don't want to rape the weak bots. But he does and even boasts about it.

Well, it is up to the LiChess operators to decide whether they will allow their bot members to 'farm' or not. Apparently they do allow it. If you are unhappy with that, you should complain to them. Going on and on about it here serves no purpose, as no one here appears to be interested in those rating lists. These are purely a LiChess thing.

Exaggerating your own importance is NOT 'defaming others' in the sense of the charter. Calling someone a cheater because he exploits the rules to the best of his abilities, on the other hand, should be considered a 'libelous attack', and is forbidden here. That you have little respect for bot operators who 'rape weak bots' is fine, but we won't allow you to harrass anyone here for enforcing your deviating views on the rest of the world.

I will therefore now lock this thread, which has given this topic already more attention than it deserves. Further discussions about LiChess bot rating lists are declared 'out of bounds' from now on, and will be acted against.