I also expect that Y<X. The second variant, where white has to play for a quicker forced draw (or a regular win), should be the more interesting game.Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:23 pm I think that we can define it by the following game:
Have a rule to decide about drawn games.
Draws with more than X plies are considered to be a win for white
Draws with less than X plies are considered to be a win for black
Draws with exactly X plies are considered to be a draw.
Assuming the theoretical result of chess is a draw It is obvious that there is exactly one X when the theretical result of the new game is also a draw and the Question is what is X
It is possible to ask the same question about what is Y that gives theretical result of a draw when
Draws with more than Y plies are considered to be a win for black
Draws with less than Y plies are considered to be a win for white
Draws with exactly Y plies are consdered to be a draw.
I guess that Y<X because white can force a draw faster than black.
chess is a draw but in how many moves?
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