FIDE Ethics Commission ruling on ICGA/Rybka complaint

[bob]

I can't imagine why the SF guys don't enter that event. They don't even have to attend. Then they could win, and actually have another title in hand.

You would let them enter?

Why would I not?

[bob]

I can't imagine why the SF guys don't enter that event. They don't even have to attend. Then they could win, and actually have another title in hand.

You would let them enter?

As I said previously, I wish they WOULD enter. At least if someone files a protest it would be a LOT less work to compare SF 6 (or whatever) to whatever program was supposedly copied from. I don't think there is any doubt SF is different enough from Fruit that there is zero problems there. Just as the Ferret/gnuchess comparison I did many years ago showed that Bruce had modified and rewritten everything over time, so that there was not even a "ghost" of gnuchess left inside.

However, that said, as I mentioned _I_ have not compared SF to anything myself, and so have no hint that it is a derivative that would fail to pass ICGA rule 2. Based on what I know, the exact opposite is true and it would easily satisfy that rule. But I suspect we will never see any of this "put to the test."

[Graham Banks]

I can't imagine why the SF guys don't enter that event. They don't even have to attend. Then they could win, and actually have another title in hand.

You would let them enter?

As I said previously, I wish they WOULD enter. At least if someone files a protest it would be a LOT less work to compare SF 6 (or whatever) to whatever program was supposedly copied from. I don't think there is any doubt SF is different enough from Fruit that there is zero problems there. Just as the Ferret/gnuchess comparison I did many years ago showed that Bruce had modified and rewritten everything over time, so that there was not even a "ghost" of gnuchess left inside.

However, that said, as I mentioned _I_ have not compared SF to anything myself, and so have no hint that it is a derivative that would fail to pass ICGA rule 2. Based on what I know, the exact opposite is true and it would easily satisfy that rule. But I suspect we will never see any of this "put to the test."

Whatever happened about Loop, which was purported to be a clearcut non-original engine (if I recall you correctly)?
I see it benefitted from a promotion in placings in at least one tournament after Rybka was removed from the records. That makes a further mockery of what happened over Rybka.

[Harvey Williamson]

Whatever happened about Loop, which was purported to be a clearcut non-original engine (if I recall you correctly)?
I see it benefitted from a promotion in placings in at least one tournament after Rybka was removed from the records. That makes a further mockery of what happened over Rybka.

This has been on the ICGA website for months https://icga.leidenuniv.nl/?p=919

[Graham Banks]

Whatever happened about Loop, which was purported to be a clearcut non-original engine (if I recall you correctly)?
I see it benefitted from a promotion in placings in at least one tournament after Rybka was removed from the records. That makes a further mockery of what happened over Rybka.

This has been on the ICGA website for months https://icga.leidenuniv.nl/?p=919

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[Roger Brown]

Whatever happened about Loop, which was purported to be a clearcut non-original engine (if I recall you correctly)?
I see it benefitted from a promotion in placings in at least one tournament after Rybka was removed from the records. That makes a further mockery of what happened over Rybka.

Dear Graham,

You are aware that the ICGA disqualified all of Loop's results until the matter was addressed, right?

I mean, I would not want to think that you were not diligent in your postings simply to make a point.

Later.

[syzygy]

Why do you think this a 'surprising interpretation' of ICGA rules?

The interpretation that anyone who contributed something to SF could enter it without the permission of at the very least the 3 main authors. That would be quite ridiculous. Interpreting the GPL as giving the permission that Rule 2 requires is an insult to those authors.

Of course the authors cannot prevent the ICGA from letting SF enter. The GPL allows it. But Rule 2 requires permission (it has always been said).

[Graham Banks]

Whatever happened about Loop, which was purported to be a clearcut non-original engine (if I recall you correctly)?
I see it benefitted from a promotion in placings in at least one tournament after Rybka was removed from the records. That makes a further mockery of what happened over Rybka.

Dear Graham,

You are aware that the ICGA disqualified all of Loop's results until the matter was addressed, right?

I mean, I would not want to think that you were not diligent in your postings simply to make a point.

Later.

No - I wasn't aware of that.
Thanks.

[Harvey Williamson]

the ICGA is convinced that, at the very least, both Fritz Reul and Kerwin Medina have a case to answer. Depending on how Reul and/or Medina respond to these allegations the ICGA might decide to conduct further investigations and/or take some form of strong sanctioning action against the programmers. However, the ICGA does not intend to proceed further along the route to strong sanctions for the time being, in order to give these programmers more time in which to make contact with the ICGA President and present their defence to the allegations. If either or both of these programmers fail to do so by December 31st 2014, or refuses to do so, the ICGA will disqualify them from all their results in ICGA events. In the meantime the ICGA has decided to suspend both Fritz Reul and Kerwin Medina from participation in all ICGA events until such time as they have made contact and offered a defence.

[Graham Banks]

the ICGA is convinced that, at the very least, both Fritz Reul and Kerwin Medina have a case to answer. Depending on how Reul and/or Medina respond to these allegations the ICGA might decide to conduct further investigations and/or take some form of strong sanctioning action against the programmers. However, the ICGA does not intend to proceed further along the route to strong sanctions for the time being, in order to give these programmers more time in which to make contact with the ICGA President and present their defence to the allegations. If either or both of these programmers fail to do so by December 31st 2014, or refuses to do so, the ICGA will disqualify them from all their results in ICGA events. In the meantime the ICGA has decided to suspend both Fritz Reul and Kerwin Medina from participation in all ICGA events until such time as they have made contact and offered a defence.

Ah - so Thinker as well?