Komodo 8 Announcement

[Steve Maughan]

There are families in Spain who do not have the money to spend a month with all expenses.

of course none buy Komodo,
a product away chess for art ,
for a single chess business.

And on top of ethical morality written when Ippolit are derived more. hehe

hypocrites.

I may have misunderstood you, but the price anyone charges for a non-essential product (whatever it might be) does not have a moral dimension. IMO the Komodo team can charge $1000 if they want - it's called freedom. Nobody is forced to buy it.

Steve

[mjlef]

Hi Bob,

OK, "Best in the World" is AnMon !!
That is what I would be write if a new AnMon version is available on my webpage.

Because ...
For me the best and within "Best in the World".

I understand ...
You are right but again ...
Better is a bit more sensible to such a topic because different people don't like it to read.

Best
Frank

I once worked on a game program that the publisher called "The Most Powerful Program in the World!". I still have no idea what that meant!

Mark

[M ANSARI]

Am in Marbella on vacation, last night had dinner in beach side restaurant with my wife and two toddlers. I ordered chicken with fries and diet coke, wife ordered sea bass with roast potatoes and orange juice, and we ordered a plate of chicken nuggets and french fries for the kids and later one chocolate cake with one scoop vanilla ice cream shared for wife and kids and I ordered a de-caffeinated cappuccino. Total cost ... 127 euros before tip.

Man, I'm sorry but that was a total ripoff.
You ate in essence crappy food that could cost you 5x less in McDonalds for about the same quality.
Marbella is a poshy place but that is still outrages.
No starters, no proper seafood or expensive meat, no wine or alcohol, one crappy desert, mostly cheapest chicken and 127 Euros .
Try eating some proper food next time, since you are in Spain, there is much better seafood, like king prawns, or lobster or octopus, or seafood (or even chicken) paella, and some great smoked ham for a starter or if you don't eat red meat than calamari or mussels and try some great Rioha and cheeses before desert.
Don't eat crappy McDo/KFC type food.

Fast track to obesity:
* fried chicken nuggets (drowned in mayo and/or ketchup I assume?)
* fries (same punishment sauce-wise?)
* chocolate cake
* vanilla ice cream
* not to forget liters of coca-cola (200g of sugar per liter, yes, that's right...)
Same crap as MacDo/KFC.

If there is only one thing I agree with Putin on, it is to forbid Mac Donalds, and similar American junk food...

Actually am quite aware of health benefits of foods, but I am also not too radical ... once in a while it is OK to indulge. Yesterday went online and looked up reviews on the best restaurants around (highest rating). Chose Elivira area in Marbella since it is close buy ... picked the Playwright restaurant as it had the #1 rating. Chose duck with veggies and wife got the lamb and kids shared a sliced chicken breast with potatoes. Bill was 115 euros after tip but 10x better than other much more expensive places we went to. So I guess it is a good idea to do some research online and look at ratings, but my point still stands to the fact that the price of Komodo is negligible for the effort invested. Do you have to buy it? No not at all, just like I could probably go to the supermarket and get equivalent nutrition for 1/10 the price of eating out. But I think it would be unfair to expect the restaurants to give me their food and service for free or at cost just like I think it is unfair to want everyone that works on chess engines to work for free. Again the people working on SF or other free source projects are doing so by donating their time, work and effort for no charge ... this should not be confused with producing a product that is "free" in a sense that it is done with no time and effort. Even if you would calculate that the human work hours in developing SF are zero, the cost of the hardware hours in maintenance and depreciation and the electricity to run that hardware would probably equate to more than the cost of the latest Komodo.

As for Marbella ... can't really fault the incredible weather less than 2 hours from London ... I mean sunshine every single day and loooong daylight hours (in summer). Can play golf till 9pm no problems. But beaches are overrated (way too many rocks and stones and sharp drops offs from shore) and Porto Banus has really become rundown! I was almost shocked as I remember this place about 15 years ago to be very upscale! Did enjoy watching all the hard bodied young british girls that think the latest fashion is to go out with see through underwear though! Still there probably is a ton of better places with better value to go to that are not as well known in Spain, Croatia, Turkey or Portugal etc...

[M ANSARI]

Am in Marbella on vacation, last night had dinner in beach side restaurant with my wife and two toddlers. I ordered chicken with fries and diet coke, wife ordered sea bass with roast potatoes and orange juice, and we ordered a plate of chicken nuggets and french fries for the kids and later one chocolate cake with one scoop vanilla ice cream shared for wife and kids and I ordered a de-caffeinated cappuccino. Total cost ... 127 euros before tip.

Total cost ... 127 euros
There are families in Spain who do not have the money to spend a month with all expenses.

of course none buy Komodo,
a product away chess for art ,
for a single chess business.

And on top of ethical morality written when Ippolit are derived more. hehe

hypocrites.

Which Spain is that? I must be in a different country! An packaged ice cream cone from a street vendor is 2.5 euros! Renting an umbrella with 2 long chairs on the beach for a couple of hours is 12 euros!

[velmarin]

Am in Marbella on vacation, last night had dinner in beach side restaurant with my wife and two toddlers. I ordered chicken with fries and diet coke, wife ordered sea bass with roast potatoes and orange juice, and we ordered a plate of chicken nuggets and french fries for the kids and later one chocolate cake with one scoop vanilla ice cream shared for wife and kids and I ordered a de-caffeinated cappuccino. Total cost ... 127 euros before tip.

Total cost ... 127 euros
There are families in Spain who do not have the money to spend a month with all expenses.

of course none buy Komodo,
a product away chess for art ,
for a single chess business.

And on top of ethical morality written when Ippolit are derived more. hehe

hypocrites.

Which Spain is that? I must be in a different country! An packaged ice cream cone from a street vendor is 2.5 euros! Renting an umbrella with 2 long chairs on the beach for a couple of hours is 12 euros!

You are on vacation in Spain.

I was born in Spain and if I've eaten ice cream,
  but in my more than 50 years I have never rented an umbrella.

[M ANSARI]

I don't blame you, I think it is a rip off too and most of the locals bring their own gear! But the other choice for a tourist would be to buy them and then throw or give them away, and storing them between trips would also problematic. You should try setting up such a business as it is hard to find seats and umbrella on the beach if you don't come early ... 3 or 4 months a year. Not much start up cost and you could probably get back your initial investment first week of operation and the rest is all profit.

[S.Taylor]

There are families in Spain who do not have the money to spend a month with all expenses.

of course none buy Komodo,
a product away chess for art ,
for a single chess business.

And on top of ethical morality written when Ippolit are derived more. hehe

hypocrites.

I may have misunderstood you, but the price anyone charges for a non-essential product (whatever it might be) does not have a moral dimension. IMO the Komodo team can charge $1000 if they want - it's called freedom. Nobody is forced to buy it.

Steve

Maybe it IS a essential product to some people to have a strong chess engine. But that is already more than accomodated for by many available free engines (for computer and internet connection owners).
(the only problem is do they work? as well as the old programs like hiarcs 6,7,7.32 etc. Stronger? yes! but do they work as well?).

[Steve Maughan]

I love computer chess but there is no way you'll convince me a chess program is in any way essential (how did life survive in the 1970's before chess programs?) - LOL!!

Steve

[S.Taylor]

I love computer chess but there is no way you'll convince me a chess program is in any way essential (how did life survive in the 1970's before chess programs?) - LOL!!

Steve

Not what they had in the 1970's or 1980's even for money. Then, we never had those "essentials". But now we have better than the best that was in the world in the 1990's, in pocket form AND for free.

So it would seem stupid to be without one.

It just now became recommended in my country never to go on a hike without a cellphone, as it is essential for safety reasons.

I was wondering why this is only now true, and not 20 years ago!


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(Steve, what i really mean is, that all connoseures of latest top engines, ought to be imho very big in chess in order to be able to appreciate the top programs, but THEY are certainly not essentials before you have outgrown everything else that is available for free. And that does not include ANY human anyway. But in case you feel anything IS essential, then you should atleast not be demanding something which is not free because free ones are good enough today, for any human).

[syzygy]

I love computer chess but there is no way you'll convince me a chess program is in any way essential (how did life survive in the 1970's before chess programs?) - LOL!!

By that reasoning computers, the Internet and mobile phones are not in any way essential. Something tells me your reasoning is not convincing (even though I agree with the particular statement you're trying to prove).