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Steve B
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by Steve B » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:01 am
LucenaTheLucid wrote: Sorry for the delay,
Movei promptly replies Kc3
Jade is relieved to see you and Movei are alive and well..
in celebration of your return she plays..
29..Re1
we are up to move 30 next ..so once again please provide the updated PGN and Movei's eval after her 30th move
On The Road Again Regards
Steve
LucenaTheLucid
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by LucenaTheLucid » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:06 am
Movei promptly replies with
30...f4
[d] 6k1/5ppp/1p2pP2/3pP3/3N4/2K5/1P3P1P/4r3 b - - 0 30
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[Event "QR odds"]
[Site "Computer Chess Club"]
[Date "11.14.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Movei00_8_438"]
[Black "Saitek Prisma"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "11.??.??"]
1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. Na3 Nxa2 6. Bd2 e6 7. c3 Be4 8. Qb3
Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qb5+ c6 11. Qxb7 Ne7 12. gxf3 Qc8 13. Qxc8+ Rxc8 14. Kd2
Ng6 15. Bd3 Nf4 16. Nc2 Nxd3 17. Kxd3 c5 18. dxc5 Bxc5 19. Bd4 Bb6 20. Be3 Bc5
21. Bd4 Bb6 22. Be3 Rc4 23. Ra1 O-O 24. f4 Rfc8 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Nd4 Rc1 27.
Rxc1 Rxc1 28. f5 Rd1+ 29. Kc3 Re1 30. f6 *
Steve B
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by Steve B » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:55 am
LucenaTheLucid wrote: Movei promptly replies with
30...f4
[d] 6k1/5ppp/1p2pP2/3pP3/3N4/2K5/1P3P1P/4r3 b - - 0 30
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[Event "QR odds"]
[Site "Computer Chess Club"]
[Date "11.14.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Movei00_8_438"]
[Black "Saitek Prisma"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "11.??.??"]
1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. Na3 Nxa2 6. Bd2 e6 7. c3 Be4 8. Qb3
Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qb5+ c6 11. Qxb7 Ne7 12. gxf3 Qc8 13. Qxc8+ Rxc8 14. Kd2
Ng6 15. Bd3 Nf4 16. Nc2 Nxd3 17. Kxd3 c5 18. dxc5 Bxc5 19. Bd4 Bb6 20. Be3 Bc5
21. Bd4 Bb6 22. Be3 Rc4 23. Ra1 O-O 24. f4 Rfc8 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Nd4 Rc1 27.
Rxc1 Rxc1 28. f5 Rd1+ 29. Kc3 Re1 30. f6 *
Jade is a bit confused Luis
you say Movei's move is 30.f4 but the diagram and PGN shows the move to be 30.f6
please clarify
also.. please post Movei's score after the correct 30th move
Squinting Regards
Steve
LucenaTheLucid
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by LucenaTheLucid » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:16 pm
My apologies Steve Movei wanted to play f6
Uri Blass
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by Uri Blass » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:09 pm
It does not seem to me logical
Movei see score near +4 for f4 and the score for black after f6 is above +5 for black.
Movei00_8_438 - Saitek Prisma, QR odds Computer Chess Club 11
[d]6k1/5ppp/1p2p3/3pPP2/3N4/2K5/1P3P1P/4r3 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Movei00_8_438:
30.f5xe6
-+ (-2.34) Depth: 1 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 f7xe6 31.Nd4xe6 Re1xe5
-+ (-2.34) Depth: 2 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 f7xe6 31.Nd4xe6 Re1xe5
-+ (-2.34) Depth: 2 00:00:00
30.f5xe6
-+ (-2.64) Depth: 3 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.69) Depth: 3 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.69) Depth: 3 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.69) Depth: 4 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.69) Depth: 4 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e1 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.79) Depth: 5 00:00:00
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e1 32.Kc3-d2
-+ (-2.79) Depth: 5 00:00:00
30.f5xe6
-+ (-3.09) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d2 Re5-e8 33.Kd2-d3
-+ (-3.34) Depth: 6 00:00:00 8kN
30.f2-f4
-+ (-3.33) Depth: 6 00:00:00 10kN
30.f2-f4
-+ (-3.04) Depth: 6 00:00:00 13kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 Rh3xh2+ 33.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f8 34.e6xf7 Rh2-h3+ 35.Kc3-d2 Kf8xf7
-+ (-2.62) Depth: 6 00:00:00 17kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 Rh3xh2+ 33.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f8 34.e6xf7 Rh2-h3+ 35.Kc3-d2 Kf8xf7
-+ (-2.62) Depth: 6 00:00:00 20kN
30.f2-f4 e6xf5 31.Nd4xf5 Kg8-f8 32.Kc3-d3 Re1-f1
-+ (-2.68) Depth: 7 00:00:00 31kN
30.f2-f4 e6xf5 31.Nd4xf5 Kg8-f8 32.Kc3-d3 Re1-f1
-+ (-2.68) Depth: 7 00:00:01 39kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 f7xe6 33.Nd4xe6 Rh3xh2+ 34.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f7
-+ (-2.94) Depth: 8 00:00:01 54kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 f7xe6 33.Nd4xe6 Rh3xh2+ 34.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f7
-+ (-2.94) Depth: 8 00:00:01 76kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 f7xe6 33.Nd4xe6 Rh3xh2+ 34.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f7 35.f4-f5
-+ (-2.85) Depth: 9 00:00:01 112kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-h3 32.f5xe6 f7xe6 33.Nd4xe6 Rh3xh2+ 34.Kd2-c3 Kg8-f7 35.f4-f5
-+ (-2.85) Depth: 9 00:00:01 134kN
30.f2-f4
-+ (-3.15) Depth: 10 00:00:01 169kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-f2 35.Ne6-c7 Rf2xh2 36.Nc7xd5 Rh2xb2
-+ (-3.45) Depth: 10 00:00:01 217kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-f2 35.Ne6-c7 Rf2xh2 36.Nc7xd5 Rh2xb2
-+ (-3.45) Depth: 10 00:00:02 369kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-f2 35.Ne6-c7 Rf2xh2 36.Nc7xd5 Rh2xb2
-+ (-3.45) Depth: 11 00:00:02 455kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-f2 35.Ne6-c7 Rf2xh2 36.Nc7xd5 Rh2xb2
-+ (-3.45) Depth: 11 00:00:02 623kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-d4 Re4xe5 36.b2-b4
-+ (-3.56) Depth: 12 00:00:03 778kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-d4 Re4xe5 36.b2-b4
-+ (-3.56) Depth: 12 00:00:03 1294kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Kd3-d4 Re5-e2 37.Nc7xd5 Re2-d2+ 38.Kd4-e5 Rd2xh2
-+ (-3.82) Depth: 13 00:00:03 1608kN
30.f5xe6
-+ (-3.81) Depth: 13 00:00:03 1843kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-h5 33.Nd4-f3 Kf7-e7 34.Kd3-e3 Rh5-h6 35.b2-b4 Rh6-e6+ 36.Ke3-d4 Ke7-d6
-+ (-3.59) Depth: 13 00:00:04 2289kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-h5 33.Nd4-f3 Kf7-e7 34.Kd3-e3 Rh5-h6 35.b2-b4 Rh6-e6+ 36.Ke3-d4 Ke7-d6
-+ (-3.59) Depth: 13 00:00:05 2947kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-e4 33.b2-b3 Kf7-f6 34.Nd4-f3 Re4-f4 35.Kd3-e3 g7-g5 36.Nf3-d4 Rf4-h4 37.Nd4-f3 Rh4-e4+ 38.Ke3-d3
-+ (-3.64) Depth: 14 00:00:06 3868kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-e4 33.b2-b3 Kf7-f6 34.Nd4-f3 Re4-f4 35.Kd3-e3 g7-g5 36.Nf3-d4 Rf4-h4 37.Nd4-f3 Rh4-e4+ 38.Ke3-d3
-+ (-3.64) Depth: 14 00:00:09 5251kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-e1 33.b2-b4 Kf7-f6 34.b4-b5 Re1-d1+ 35.Kd3-e3 Rd1-h1 36.Nd4-f3 g7-g6 37.Ke3-d4
-+ (-3.61) Depth: 15 00:00:13 7809kN
30.f2-f4
-+ (-3.60) Depth: 15 00:00:18 11160kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-e1 33.b2-b4 Kf7-f6 34.b4-b5 Re1-d1+ 35.Kd3-e3 Rd1-h1 36.Nd4-f3 g7-g6 37.Ke3-d4
-+ (-3.61) Depth: 15 00:00:19 11333kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 32.Kc3-d3 Re5-e1 33.b2-b4 Kf7-f6 34.b4-b5 Re1-d1+ 35.Kd3-e3 Rd1-h1 36.Nd4-f3 g7-g6 37.Ke3-d4
-+ (-3.61) Depth: 15 00:00:20 11920kN
30.f5xe6
-+ (-3.91) Depth: 16 00:00:26 15649kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 33.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 34.Nd4-e2 Re4-e6 35.h2-h3 Re6-h6 36.Ne2-c3 Kf7-e6 37.Nc3-b5 Ke6-f5 38.Nb5-c3 d5-d4
-+ (-3.83) Depth: 16 00:00:49 30423kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 33.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 34.Nd4-e2 Re4-e6 35.h2-h3 Re6-h6 36.Ne2-c3 Kf7-e6 37.Nc3-b5 Ke6-f5 38.Nb5-c3 d5-d4
-+ (-3.83) Depth: 16 00:01:02 37545kN
30.f5xe6 Re1xe5 31.f2-f4 Re5-e3+ 32.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 33.e6xf7+ Kg8xf7 34.Nd4-e2 Re4-e6 35.h2-h3 Re6-h6 36.Ne2-g1 Rh6-g6 37.Ng1-e2 Rg6-g2 38.Kd2-e3 Rg2-h2 39.Ne2-c3 Rh2xh3+ 40.Ke3-d4
-+ (-4.05) Depth: 17 00:01:13 44239kN
30.f2-f4
-+ (-4.04) Depth: 17 00:01:39 59216kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 Re5-h5 37.Na8xb6 Rh5xh2 38.b2-b4
-+ (-3.93) Depth: 17 00:01:51 66860kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 Re5-h5 37.Na8xb6 Rh5xh2 38.b2-b4
-+ (-3.93) Depth: 17 00:02:01 71821kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 Re5-h5 37.Na8xb6 Rh5-h3+ 38.Kd3-d4 Rh3xh2 39.b2-b4 Rh2-d2+ 40.Kd4-e5
-+ (-3.98) Depth: 18 00:02:22 84227kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 Re5-h5 37.Na8xb6 Rh5-h3+ 38.Kd3-d4 Rh3xh2 39.b2-b4 Rh2-d2+ 40.Kd4-e5
-+ (-3.98) Depth: 18 00:03:03 105796kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 b6-b5 37.b2-b3 Re5-h5 38.Na8-b6 Rh5xh2 39.Nb6xd5
-+ (-4.13) Depth: 19 00:03:42 127154kN
30.f5xe6
-+ (-4.12) Depth: 19 00:03:59 137182kN
30.f2-f4 Re1-e3+ 31.Kc3-d2 Re3-e4 32.Kd2-d3 Re4xf4 33.f5xe6 f7xe6 34.Nd4xe6 Rf4-e4 35.Ne6-c7 Re4xe5 36.Nc7-a8 b6-b5 37.b2-b3 Re5-h5 38.Na8-b6 Rh5xh2 39.Nb6xd5
-+ (-4.13) Depth: 19 00:04:37 158477kN
(, 19.09.2010)
Steve B
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by Steve B » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:17 pm
Uri Blass wrote: It does not seem to me logical
Movei see score near +4 for f4 and the score for black after f6 is above +5 for black.
As you are the Engine Author...i guess you would know if Movei would play 30.f6 or not in this position ..
perhaps there is a mistake in the move reported my Luis?
before i have Jade reply i will ask Luis to double check Movei's last move and confirm that it is in fact 30.f6
On Hold Regards
Steve
LucenaTheLucid
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by LucenaTheLucid » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:20 pm
Indeed Uri you are correct. Movei does indeed play 30...f4. My apologies for the mistakes. Current position like Uri posted.
[d] 6k1/5ppp/1p2p3/3pPP2/3N1P2/2K5/1P5P/4r3 b - f3 0 30
Movei's analysis should look like this:
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-+ (-4.30) Depth: 20 00:02:10 99860kN
and the actual updated PGN.
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[Event "QR odds"]
[Site "Computer Chess Club"]
[Date "11.14.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Movei00_8_438"]
[Black "Saitek Prisma"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "11.??.??"]
1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. Na3 Nxa2 6. Bd2 e6 7. c3 Be4 8. Qb3
Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qb5+ c6 11. Qxb7 Ne7 12. gxf3 Qc8 13. Qxc8+ Rxc8 14. Kd2
Ng6 15. Bd3 Nf4 16. Nc2 Nxd3 17. Kxd3 c5 18. dxc5 Bxc5 19. Bd4 Bb6 20. Be3 Bc5
21. Bd4 Bb6 22. Be3 Rc4 23. Ra1 O-O 24. f4 Rfc8 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Nd4 Rc1 27.
Rxc1 Rxc1 28. f5 Rd1+ 29. Kc3 Re1 30. f4 *
Steve B
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by Steve B » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:32 pm
LucenaTheLucid wrote: Indeed Uri you are correct. Movei does indeed play 30...f4. My apologies for the mistakes. Current position like Uri posted.
[d] 6k1/5ppp/1p2p3/3pPP2/3N1P2/2K5/1P5P/4r3 b - f3 0 30
Movei's analysis should look like this:
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-+ (-4.30) Depth: 20 00:02:10 99860n
and the actual updated PGN.
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[Event "QR odds"]
[Site "Computer Chess Club"]
[Date "11.14.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Movei00_8_438"]
[Black "Saitek Prisma"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "11.??.??"]
1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. Na3 Nxa2 6. Bd2 e6 7. c3 Be4 8. Qb3
Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qb5+ c6 11. Qxb7 Ne7 12. gxf3 Qc8 13. Qxc8+ Rxc8 14. Kd2
Ng6 15. Bd3 Nf4 16. Nc2 Nxd3 17. Kxd3 c5 18. dxc5 Bxc5 19. Bd4 Bb6 20. Be3 Bc5
21. Bd4 Bb6 22. Be3 Rc4 23. Ra1 O-O 24. f4 Rfc8 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Nd4 Rc1 27.
Rxc1 Rxc1 28. f5 Rd1+ 29. Kc3 Re1 30. f4 *
OK Fellas
30.f4 for Movei it is..
now that we have that straightened out..
Jade a bit frazzled by the above ..plays
30..Re3+
She scores the position as -+ 4.29
Dazed and Confused Regards
Steve
LucenaTheLucid
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by LucenaTheLucid » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:45 am
Hopefully after 2 incorrect moves by the operator we can get it right this time:
Movei plays Kd2
[d] 6k1/5ppp/1p2p3/3pPP2/3N1P2/4r3/1P1K3P/8 b - - 0 31
Steve B
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by Steve B » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:27 am
LucenaTheLucid wrote: Hopefully after 2 incorrect moves by the operator we can get it right this time:
Movei plays Kd2
Its been a tough game for me too
lets not forget that i lost the Saitek Prisma early on in this epic battle
however.. as true battle worn warriors.. we soldier ever onward..
Jade answers with ..
31..Re4
Limping Regards
Steve