M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?

[AlexChess]

Alex forgot to mention Leela running 100x as fast on his brother's PC.

I know, LC0 0.28.2 it's incredibily slow without a dedicated GPU but still surprising strong (2300+ ELO) and very easy to compile thanks to Brew

[AlexChess]

If you try to use all day a 600€ laptop for chess @95° Celsius, very likely you will burn it after 1 week.

What?

My $700 Mac Mini M1, now that I have learned how to compile engines natively, using 8 cores at 37° Celsius reaches half computing speed of my brother's $2000 Ryzen 9 3900x using 24 threads.

Ryzen 9 3900x costs ~$500 and is not even remotely close to the best perf/value. For example can do 28M nps

All you're doing here is taking the worst case anecdotal evidence you can find to try to justify your dumb purchase.

OK the CPU costs $500, but then you must buy all the rest. And it doesn't run macOS M1 and iOS - iPadOS apps. Speed isn't the only feature that I'm looking for. My brother's 3900x is 2.5 years old and when it uses 24 threads for chess (reaching 20 Mn/s with Stockfish) it seems an helicopter

I'm absolutely happy of my Mac Mini M1. The best purchase in last years. I can even use every other heavy Mac app while BSG is running on Windows 11 ARM 64 or Cutechess on Ubuntu 21.10 under Parallels-Desktop... If I want more speed (7 Mn/s) I use engines on BSG with M1 native. Between top engines, only Fat Titz 2, Koivisto 8.2 and Fire 8.NN.MC.3 are missing on my tournaments.

[Sopel]

If you try to use all day a 600€ laptop for chess @95° Celsius, very likely you will burn it after 1 week.

What?

My $700 Mac Mini M1, now that I have learned how to compile engines natively, using 8 cores at 37° Celsius reaches half computing speed of my brother's $2000 Ryzen 9 3900x using 24 threads.

Ryzen 9 3900x costs ~$500 and is not even remotely close to the best perf/value. For example can do 28M nps

All you're doing here is taking the worst case anecdotal evidence you can find to try to justify your dumb purchase.

OK the CPU costs $500, but then you must buy all the rest. And it doesn't run macOS M1 and iOS - iPadOS apps. Speed isn't the only feature that I'm looking for. My brother's 3900x is 2.5 years old and when it uses 24 threads for chess (reaching 20 Mn/s with Stockfish) it seems an helicopter

I'm absolutely happy of my Mac Mini M1. The best purchase in last years. I can even use every other heavy Mac app while BSG is running on Windows 11 ARM 64 or Cutechess on Ubuntu 21.10 under Parallels-Desktop... If I want more speed (7 Mn/s) I use engines on BSG with M1 native. Between top engines, only Fat Titz 2, Koivisto 8.2 and Fire 8.NN.MC.3 are missing on my tournaments.

If you want to respond to me then please read more than the first 4 words, thanks.

[AlexChess]

If you want to respond to me then please read more than the first 4 words, thanks.

Done, but maybe I haven't undestood. I was answering about my dumb ? purchase (your last 2 words )

Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

...When I've bought all the rest, I can cook a steak on it

[Modern Times]

OK the CPU costs $500, but then you must buy all the rest. And it doesn't run macOS M1 and iOS - iPadOS apps.

That's a bonus then

[wickedpotus]

...When I've bought all the rest, I can cook a steak on it

How hot does your M1 get if you try to get 28Mnps from it

[mclane]

Is chess possible on the m1 ?

[AlexChess]

...When I've bought all the rest, I can cook a steak on it

How hot does your M1 get if you try to get 28Mnps from it

...Now I know why Acepoint abandoned this topic. But I will stay here

Learning how to compile all top engines available for Windoz. Now working on Koivisto 8.2 and Fire 8.NN.MC.3

ARM IS THE FUTURE ALSO FOR WINDOWS, THANKS TO QUALCOMM AND MEDIATEK

https://www.xda-developers.com/mediatek ... n-arm-pcs/
https://www.androidauthority.com/window ... d-3100713/
https://www.androidauthority.com/arm-vs ... ed-568718/

[AlexChess]

Is chess possible on the m1 ?

Absolutely

[AlexChess]

BLITZ TOURNAMENT 3+2 ALL TOP ENGINES ON MAC MINI M1

(8 CPUs - 7 Mn/s on starting position, TB Syzygy 6 man. Opening book of 3 full moves)



ALL GAMES IN PGN: https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=B0F79706 ... 57&o=OneUp

NOTES:
-Igel 3.0.5 (also if I have added net in config) probably is playing WITHOUT NNUE.
-Ethereal 13.00 github is playing without NNUE due to author's choice, making it commercial and only for Windows AVX2 SSSE3.
-Stockfish and derivatives are still a bit stronger than originals, but Koivisto 8.2 and Fire 8.NN.MC.3 aren't still available.
-Sugar 2.4.0 isn't the latest version - I can't find 2.5.0 anymore (project closed by Andrea Manzo)