Movei00_8_438 vs. Novag Jade QR odds

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LucenaTheLucid
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by LucenaTheLucid »

Movei now plays 20...Be3

[d] 2r1k2r/p4ppp/1b2p3/3pP3/8/3KBP2/1PN2P1P/7R b k - 0 20

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[Event "QR odds"]
[Site "Computer Chess Club"]
[Date "8.24.2010"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Movei00_8_438"]
[Black "Saitek Prisma"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "*"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. Na3 Nxa2 6. Bd2 e6 7. c3 Be4 8. Qb3
Nxc3 9. Bxc3 Bxf3 10. Qb5+ c6 11. Qxb7 Ne7 12. gxf3 Qc8 13. Qxc8+ Rxc8 14. Kd2
Ng6 15. Bd3 Nf4 16. Nc2 Nxd3 17. Kxd3 c5 18. dxc5 Bxc5 19. Bd4 Bb6 20. Be3 *

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Analysis by Movei00_8_438:

  -+  (-3.16)   Depth: 16   00:02:00  74332kN
Steve B
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Steve B »

LucenaTheLucid wrote:Movei now plays 20...Be3

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Analysis by Movei00_8_438:

  -+  (-3.16)   Depth: 16   00:02:00  74332kN
Jade responds with the inexplicable 20..Bc5
Score..-+3.95

I am fairly certain Jade understands the 3 fold rep draw rule.. so i would be shocked if she repeats the position 3 times with the same colour to move

If She does i shall be ...
Taking The Gas Pipe Regards
Steve
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by LucenaTheLucid »

Movei also inexplicably plays 21...Bd4!?!? This HAS to be some kind of bug. Movei searched all the way to depth 22 and never showed anything in the PV but Bd4 with a score of 0.00.

Definitely one for the unsolved mysteries Steven!

[d] 2r1k2r/p4ppp/4p3/2bpP3/3B4/3K1P2/1PN2P1P/7R b k - 0 21
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Steve B »

LucenaTheLucid wrote:Movei also inexplicably plays 21...Bd4!?!? This HAS to be some kind of bug. Movei searched all the way to depth 22 and never showed anything in the PV but Bd4 with a score of 0.00.

Definitely one for the unsolved mysteries Steven!
My guess is that Movei is willing to repeat the position in order to claim a draw by the 3-fold rep rule
this is a good move for her because she is down heavily in material
thankfully she does not know she is playing an opponent rated 1000 pts weaker

while i would be satisfied with a draw (it adds some additional evidence to my theory that a R can overcome a 1000 Pt. ELO gap) its not up to me..its up to Jade and she also does not realize she is playing an opponent 1000 elo stronger then she is
i wouldnt be at all surprised if she refuses the draw and goes on to lose

Move Later Today Regards
Steve
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LucenaTheLucid
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by LucenaTheLucid »

Actually what is surprising is that a number of top engines misevaluate this position.

Deep Rybka 4
Crafty 23.0
Stockfish 1.8
Comet B64
Pro Deo 1.6
Naum 4.2

These are ones that evaluate it correctly:

Houdini 1.03a
Fritz 12
Shredder 11
Zappa Mexico II
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Guenther »

LucenaTheLucid wrote:Actually what is surprising is that a number of top engines misevaluate this position.

Deep Rybka 4
Crafty 23.0
Stockfish 1.8
Comet B64
Pro Deo 1.6
Naum 4.2

These are ones that evaluate it correctly:

Houdini 1.03a
Fritz 12
Shredder 11
Zappa Mexico II
This is not a missevaluation but a design decision to report a zero
score for a two time repetition.

Guenther
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Steve B »

LucenaTheLucid wrote:Movei also inexplicably plays 21...Bd4!?!?
Tragically..Jade seems to want to repeat the position and plays 21..Bb6

if Movei plays 22.Be3 next ..Jade will have the choice to play some move other then(22..Bd5)on her 22nd or If Jade plays it then Movei can claim a draw on her 23rd..with 23.Bd4

Pins And Needles Regards
Steve
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by LucenaTheLucid »

Movei's 22nd move is indeed Be3...funny how this game is turning out.
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Steve B »

LucenaTheLucid wrote:Movei's 22nd move is indeed Be3...funny how this game is turning out.
Well its all up to Jade now
does she wimp out.. allowing Movei to repeat on the next move and claim the draw?
OR
does she act bravely to protect her honor.. with a different move and avoid the draw??

We Shall Soon See Regards
Steve
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Re: Movei00_8_438 vs. Saitek Prisma QR odds

Post by Steve B »

Steve B wrote:
LucenaTheLucid wrote:Movei's 22nd move is indeed Be3...funny how this game is turning out.
Well its all up to Jade now
does she wimp out.. allowing Movei to repeat on the next move and claim the draw?
OR
does she act bravely to protect her honor.. with a different move and avoid the draw??

We Shall Soon See Regards
Steve
Like a true Amazon warrior ..
Jade defends her honor ..rejects the 3-fold repetition...and Thrusts deeply into the White position with..
22..Rc4

Queen Of The Amazon Regards
Steve