Computer analysis of the world championship.

[Milos]

in your dreams Milos, in your dreams. Remember, they took a Sprinter, that is more like a truck then a car. They noted 11 hours from Frankfurt to Budapest which sounds pretty logical, in fact I drove from Stuttgart (which is 200 km less then Frankfurt) to Budapest several times by car and less then 10 hours is already a pretty good time. With a car, not with a truck. Then they took a break fro about 9 1/2 hours. You always forget that break which is included in the "over 40 hours" trip. Subtracting that we are back to 32 1/2 hours pure driving time. Now having in mind that they did not want to drive through serbia (understandable) and instead took the road over romania the 21 1/2 hours from Budapest to Sofia sound reasonable... Some bad luck here and there, bad road conditions etc. - and this all with a Sprinter ?

Wishful thinking.
I manged Muchen-Budapest couple of times for under 7h. That doesn't prove anything.
And 21 1/2h Budapest-Sofia!!??? Maybe if they hitchhiked a truck that was stopped for load inspection at every border
However, I'm pretty sure you can enter the route in google maps or viamichelin, or in any car navigation, and notice what you'll get. Or ask any neighboring Turk, how much it takes him to Istanbul .
And yes, it's possible to travel 40h easily. If you include sightseeing of Budapest for 24h. And Budapest is a lovely city, lot of things to see, but I wouldn't expect that to be Anand's priority .

[Thomas Mayer]

in your dreams Milos, in your dreams. Remember, they took a Sprinter, that is more like a truck then a car. They noted 11 hours from Frankfurt to Budapest which sounds pretty logical, in fact I drove from Stuttgart (which is 200 km less then Frankfurt) to Budapest several times by car and less then 10 hours is already a pretty good time. With a car, not with a truck. Then they took a break fro about 9 1/2 hours. You always forget that break which is included in the "over 40 hours" trip. Subtracting that we are back to 32 1/2 hours pure driving time. Now having in mind that they did not want to drive through serbia (understandable) and instead took the road over romania the 21 1/2 hours from Budapest to Sofia sound reasonable... Some bad luck here and there, bad road conditions etc. - and this all with a Sprinter ?

Wishful thinking.
I manged Muchen-Budapest couple of times for under 7h. That doesn't prove anything.
And 21 1/2h Budapest-Sofia!!??? Maybe if they hitchhiked a truck that was stopped for load inspection at every border
However, I'm pretty sure you can enter the route in google maps or viamichelin, or in any car navigation, and notice what you'll get. Or ask any neighboring Turk, how much it takes him to Istanbul .
And yes, it's possible to travel 40h easily. If you include sightseeing of Budapest for 24h. And Budapest is a lovely city, lot of things to see, but I wouldn't expect that to be Anand's priority .

To make it easier for you:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... .09375&z=5

that's the Google Maps link provided by chessbase. And that should be close to the route they took. 25 hours. Adding 9 1/2 hours break, adding dinner time, toilet break etc. and you are already at 40 hours.

If you drive Munich Budapest in 7 hours you can't care much about rules and speed regulations. The drivers of the Sprinter where professionals, they have to care about speed regulations simply because they might lose their jobs if they lose their driving license.

You claimed that Frankfurt - Sofia should be at max 15 to 18 hours. Subtracting the 9 1/2 hours break that is 5 1/2 hours to 8 1/2 hours... Then they definitely would have needed a plane... what a nonsense you write.

Greets, Thomas

[Milos]

You claimed that Frankfurt - Sofia should be at max 15 to 18 hours. Subtracting the 9 1/2 hours break that is 5 1/2 hours to 8 1/2 hours... Then they definitely would have needed a plane... what a nonsense you write.

Nonsense, nice... I wonder if that is personal...
Frankfurt-Sofia is max 15 to 18h. Your 9 1/2 hours subtraction is just a smoke screen.

http://www.viamichelin.com/web/Itinerai ... istance=km

or through Budapest (if they really wanted to see it)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... e=UTF8&z=6


Why driving 200-300km and 10h more (if that's even true), well that you should ask Anand. Maybe it some kind of masochist impetus or a cultural thing. Or they simply tried to save on road tax.

[Thomas Mayer]

You claimed that Frankfurt - Sofia should be at max 15 to 18 hours. Subtracting the 9 1/2 hours break that is 5 1/2 hours to 8 1/2 hours... Then they definitely would have needed a plane... what a nonsense you write.

Nonsense, nice... I wonder if that is personal...
Frankfurt-Sofia is max 15 to 18h. Your 9 1/2 hours subtraction is just a smoke screen.

http://www.viamichelin.com/web/Itinerai ... istance=km

or through Budapest (if they really wanted to see it)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... e=UTF8&z=6


Why driving 200-300km and 10h more (if that's even true), well that you should ask Anand. Maybe it some kind of masochist impetus or a cultural thing. Or they simply tried to save on road tax.

Milos, now I really wonder whether you can read. They clearly pointed out that they couldn't drive through Serbia because they would need a Visa for Serbia. YOUR given roads include Serbia which they can't use. Driving over Romania takes a lot of hours more because the roads aren't of best quality, the trip is longer etc. etc.. Frankfurt - Sofia via Romania is NEVER done in the time you mention. Especially with a Sprinter. I believe you just want to construct an accusation against the Anand team without any serious background. Or you simply can't read, no idea.

Greets, Thomas

[Milos]

Milos, now I really wonder whether you can read. They clearly pointed out that they couldn't drive through Serbia because they would need a Visa for Serbia. YOUR given roads include Serbia which they can't use.

I wonder if you can read, since I already provided the facts here that clearly show they are lying about visa. Both Romanian and Serbian. No resident (temporary or permanent, it's irrelevant) of Shengen state doesn't need visa for either Romania or Serbia.

[Thomas Mayer]

Milos, now I really wonder whether you can read. They clearly pointed out that they couldn't drive through Serbia because they would need a Visa for Serbia. YOUR given roads include Serbia which they can't use.

I wonder if you can read, since I already provided the facts here that clearly show they are lying about visa. Both Romanian and Serbian. No resident (temporary or permanent, it's irrelevant) of Shengen state doesn't need visa for either Romania or Serbia.

They nowhere claimed that they had any problems with Romania and papers. They just mentioned Serbia. Also you are aware that some more Indians then just Anand were in that Bus ? Where did you gave a proof that it is possible for Indians to drive through Serbia without Visa ? I couldn't find anything with substance in your postings. Enlighten me, please. Maybe they would be interested as well - for the next time...

Greets, Thomas

[Milos]

Also you are aware that some more Indians then just Anand were in that Bus ? Where did you gave a proof that it is possible for Indians to drive through Serbia without Visa ?

That is ofc a possibility, and Indians do need visa for Serbia if they are not EU residents.
However, if Anand decided to travel 10h longer (or 20h if you include your sleeping time) just for the sake of traveling together with all the members of his team (in case he has Indians without EU residence in his team), that would be noble but foolish, and he can't blame Bulgarian organizers for this.

Moreover, this is all just pure speculation, since we don't know this for sure, but we know he could have gotten from Frankfurt to Sofia in 15 to 18h if he wanted to.

[Thomas Mayer]

Moreover, this is all just pure speculation, since we don't know this for sure, but we know he could have gotten from Frankfurt to Sofia in 15 to 18h if he wanted to.

pure driving time. Do you think it would be a wise decision to sit 18 hours straight in a car non stop ? If you have to play a world championship soon ? Of course it wouldn't. Therefor even your 18 hours trip would have needed a night break, breaks for dinner, toilet etc. which results again in a traveling time over 30 hours. So you may compare 30 hours to 40 hours where you even should add some hours to your 30 because the Sprinter isn't as fast as a normal car.

So in fact I can't see any proof for a lie or even a sign of a lie. So what's your point ?

Greets, Thomas

[jwes]

Let's try it. I will pm positions to each contributor.