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Re: If you are interested....

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The situation in my newest match after only 32 games:

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+3 -3 =26

Revenge 3.0 avx2 has 3643 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

Rebel 16.1 has 3619 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

A sample:

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The situation after 55 games:

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+7 -3 =45

+28 Elo points for Rebel 16.2
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Rebel 16.2
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Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) for both engines
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases (only for Revenge_3.0_win_bmi2)
-NNs: defaults
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result in my match:

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+9 -10 =81

Basically engines of equal strength in my 100 games match

Revenge 3.0 avx2 has 3643 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

Rebel 16.1 has 3619 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

Just a sample:

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Disclaimer
==========
The architecture of a chess engine is a choice of its programmer(s). If chess engines can (or can't) use:
-endgame databases (Syzygy, Gaviota, Nalimov, various bitbases...);
-evaluation based on 1-n data accumulators (NNUEs, NNs, DCNNs) or HCE;
-experience files;
-internal or external books;
-etc, etc, etc......
does not imply unfairness in matches/tournaments. Each chess engine programmer achieves what he wants, given the skills he has.

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Stockfish_23022419_x64_bmi2
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Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) (only for Stockfish_23022419_x64_bmi2)
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases for both engines
-NNs: defaults (Stockfish_23022419_x64_bmi2 uses nn-1337b1adec5b.nnue net; SpectralByLOBO-bmi2 uses an old SF
net: nn-3c0054ea9860.nnue)
-SpectralByLOBO-bmi2 uses a special experience file
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+1 -5 =94

+14 Elo points for SpectralByLOBO-bmi2

Stockfish_23022419_x64_bmi2 is the best SF I ever tested !

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Protej 0.6.4 x64
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Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) for both engines
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases for The Baron 3.44.1-x64 & Online Syzygy (lichess.org) for Protej 0.6.4 x64
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+29 -36 =35

-21 Elo points in 100 games

The Baron 3.44 x64 has 2921 Elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list).

Protej 0.6.4 x64 has 2910 Elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list).

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Wasp650-windows-avx
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Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) for both engines
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases for both engines
-NNs: defaults
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+17 -20 =63

-7 Elo points in 100 games

Clover 3.3.1 avx2 has 3515 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

Wasp 6.50 avx has 3503 Elo points (Stefan Pohl rating list).

A sample from this match:

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Started !
The latest SF versus the champion on my PC !!!
:wink:
==========
Disclaimer
==========
The architecture of a chess engine is a choice of its programmer(s). If chess engines can (or can't) use:
-endgame databases (Syzygy, Gaviota, Nalimov, various bitbases...);
-evaluation based on 1-n data accumulators (NNUEs, NNs, DCNNs) or HCE;
-experience files;
-internal or external books;
-etc, etc, etc......
does not imply unfairness in matches/tournaments. Each chess engine programmer achieves what he wants, given the skills he has.

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Re: If you are interested....

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==========
Disclaimer
==========
The architecture of a chess engine is a choice of its programmer(s). If chess engines can (or can't) use:
-endgame databases (Syzygy, Gaviota, Nalimov, various bitbases...);
-evaluation based on 1-n data accumulators (NNUEs, NNs, DCNNs) or HCE;
-experience files;
-internal or external books;
-etc, etc, etc......
does not imply unfairness in matches/tournaments. Each chess engine programmer achieves what he wants, given the skills he has.

====================================================================================================================

Stockfish_23030515_x64_bmi2
==========================

Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) (only for Stockfish_23030515_x64_bmi2)
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases for both engines
-NNs: defaults (Stockfish_23030515_x64_bmi2 uses nn-52471d67216a.nnue net; SpectralByLOBO-bmi2 uses an old SF net: nn-3c0054ea9860.nnue)
-SpectralByLOBO-bmi2 uses a special experience file
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+0 -9 =91

-28 Elo points in 100 games (+35 for SpectralByLOBO-bmi2)

A new sample:



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Well, a few months off (until some progress is made) would not hurt...I will play with some HCE engines.... some private ones.....there are also some beautiful festivals around here........ :wink:

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Well, a new champion on my PC: Dark SisTer 4.6 bmi2 (I think it's a new SF clone involving some work from others).
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Match conditions (I used as a partner the same SF version as in the test above for comparison):

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) (only for Stockfish_23030515_x64_bmi2)
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 6-men Syzygy bases for both engines
-NNs: defaults (Stockfish_23030515_x64_bmi2 uses nn-52471d67216a.nnue net; Dark SisTer 4.6 bmi2 also uses the new SF net: 52471d67216a.nnue
net)
-Dark SisTer 4.6 bmi2 uses a special experience file
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+11 -0 +89

+42 Elo points in 100 games for Dark SisTer 4.6 bmi2

A sample from this interesting match:

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Avalanche-x86_64-windows-haswell-1.4.0
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Match conditions:

-TC=4'+2"
-Hash=256 MB
-GUI: Arena 3.5.1
-Book: SuperGM_4mvs.abk (8 plies book) for both engines
-1 thread-CPU=Intel i5-7400-3GHz (Kaby Lake)
-TBS: 5-men Nalimov TBS (only for Deep Rybka 4.1 SSE42 x64)
-NN: default (only for for Avalanche-x86_64-windows-haswell-1.4.0). Rybka 4.1 has an HCE.
-Ponder: off
-OS: Windows 10 Home.

The final result:

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+44 -24 =32

+70 Elo points in 100 games for Avalanche-x86_64-windows-haswell-1.4.0

Rybka 4.1 x64 has 3152 Elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list).

Avalanche 1.3.0 x64 (the previous version) has 3090 Elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list). An impressive engine written in the Zig programming language.

Just an example: