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"If you can't beat the best, then cheat the best!"Christopher Conkie wrote:No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
Man, Charles Roberson was so correct in our talks on this subject.Before......AdminX wrote:"If you can't beat the best, then cheat the best!"Christopher Conkie wrote:No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
After.......crimson is a new UCI chess engine, based partly on alderon.
crimson is a new strong UCI compatible hybrid open source chess engine, based on alderon, with code from Fruit 2.1 by Fabien Letouzey and Viper 0.1 by Tord Romstadt.
It seems that now you are trapped as cloner again you have the idea to come back with a crimson 1.2 opensource like you did before!??kranium wrote:major changes:
eval/material/search parameters tuned
code cleanup/optimization
middlegame -> endgame evaluation/recognition improved
piece square-tables tweaked
verification search removed
http://www.cyclonechess.com/crimson.html
Regards-
Norm
Don't forget to thank me too, I started the fireDr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks,all clear nowChristopher Conkie wrote:He started disabling things without taking them all away....leaving remnants of what it was, some of which even still work (FRC).Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Agreed,and after this fiesta I am afraid that no one will take him seriously anymore....Christopher Conkie wrote:No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
BTW,Christopher,is the similarity with Tord's Viper a big one,I mean is Crimson almost identical with it
Mayba Norm changed or let's say tuned another line here and there to make it stronger....
Thanks again regards,
Dr.D
I won't tell you much, but it is obvious that Crimson was once SMP for example. Now it is set to just one thread.
If I were to give you a percentage of how much Crimson is Viper, I would have to say it's over 97%. It's just rearranged and has had bits chopped out.
Christopher
Dr.D
Norm,kranium wrote:a small part of the executable for Rybka 1.0 was decompiled and many many dozens of lines of code were found to match Fruit 2.1 almost excatly...Graham Banks wrote:What a sick and sad attitude. No wonder there are illegal clones around when people like you encourage them. You should be ashamed!slobo wrote: Norm, keep on working on your clone.
If Tord is really the original author, keep him informed what you are doing. It is only the problem between you two. Keep the "mob" far from it.
the chess engine community tyrned a blind eye and said 'no problem'...
it it the chess engine community itself that did the most promote 'illegal' clones by not acting on this clear and compelling evidence that Rybka 1.0 was illegitimate derivative of Fruit 2.1.
http://www.chesslogik.com/controversies/
Because he can only clone and never reach rybka's strength on his own.slobo wrote:Norm,kranium wrote:a small part of the executable for Rybka 1.0 was decompiled and many many dozens of lines of code were found to match Fruit 2.1 almost excatly...Graham Banks wrote:What a sick and sad attitude. No wonder there are illegal clones around when people like you encourage them. You should be ashamed!slobo wrote: Norm, keep on working on your clone.
If Tord is really the original author, keep him informed what you are doing. It is only the problem between you two. Keep the "mob" far from it.
the chess engine community tyrned a blind eye and said 'no problem'...
it it the chess engine community itself that did the most promote 'illegal' clones by not acting on this clear and compelling evidence that Rybka 1.0 was illegitimate derivative of Fruit 2.1.
http://www.chesslogik.com/controversies/
as I told you some time ago, you should have worked on your clone in silence, and announce it as a new brand original engine, but only when you reach the Rybka´s strength.
You did not listen to my advice, and the same problem comes again.
Never mind. Try again. My advice is the same, because remember:
all those people who blame you now will contect you to by your engine if it is able to beat Rybka.
So, keep on working hard on what you like to do. And even if you do not succed in acomplishing your goal, never mind: you will spend your time doing what you like to do.
The only mistake you commited was not have conntected the original author.
Could you explain it to me: why did you repeat the same mistake?
Regards.
SL
Alexander Schmidt wrote:Just one note on this drama. A freeware author releases an engine. One says it's a clone. All believe it because of one little string and bash the "poor" guy.
I don't want to protect Mr. Schmidt, and I believe Chris. I am just curious
Remember what happened in the past? A commercial author released an engine. Many people spent their money in it. Many experts say it's a clone, post lots of different proves. Noone want to believe it...
Well, idc. Spend your money in whatever you like
matejst wrote:I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me.
Hi Alex,Alexander Schmidt wrote:matejst wrote:I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me.
For me it looks like he wanted to let the community look in the mirror