A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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Re: A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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kgburcham wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
reflectionofpower wrote:
I think the guy is cheating too but they still haven't proven how he does it. That explanation is very broad and not getting into specifics. Interesting story though.
I think that knowing how he cheat may encourage other people to cheat in a similiar way so it may not be a good idea to tell the world how he does it.
If I know how he is cheating, I will be able to prevent others from cheating.
Maybe if there is surgery involved, or a vital organ, it could be challenging to detect.
I am not sure if you will be able to prevent other people to cheat and
I think that it is better if only a small number of people know how he cheats that are exactly the people who are responsible to prevent cheating.
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Also, some guys from UC Santa Cruz, using 1970's technology, were able
to get the advantage in roulette.

Their methods were revealed in the book The Eudaemonic Pie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eudaemonic_Pie

They built a computing device that fit in a shoe, using toe movement for input (if I remember correctly), and slight electric shocks for output.

With modern tech...hmmm
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Re: A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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SzG wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Take him out back and find out what he is doing. Just do it, risk charges.

When I played in the eighties he would have had his rights violated, by me!
There is no question he's cheating. It's the method that is in question and he will never let you search him unless it is done by force!
I wonder if Anand or Carlsen would agree to taking off his shoes, and if not, would they forfeit.

And what is the next step? The pants?
He's not Anand or Carlson, that's the point!

He could beat either by cheating and you likely would defend this piece of sh!t. :roll:
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Take him out back and find out what he is doing. Just do it, risk charges.

When I played in the eighties he would have had his rights violated, by me!
There is no question he's cheating. It's the method that is in question and he will never let you search him unless it is done by force!
Although that I cansider you a close friend Terry and I myself can be described as aggressively oriented when it comes to justice in all aspects of life,I don't think that this is the optimal approach.......

The least he can do is to wave the flag of abuse in your face and can even go further to launch a court trial after that....

Still,I don't think that what he's using is something from outer space....
There must be a way to figure things out regards,
Dr.D
He won't do jack sh!t when they find the devices.

He knows he will be facing more serious charges then simple assault.
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Re: A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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Since when is cheating at chess a crime.
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syzygy wrote:Since when is cheating at chess a crime.
It's always been illegal when money is involved.

What he is doing is a crime both in the moral sense and for the concrete fact taking the prize fund, (money) is theft.

There are many more reasons it is deplorable but I won't bother you with that as you don't appear to care.
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bob wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
kranium wrote:.....according to them, he simply taps on the LED keyboard with his toes to send and receive moves...

:shock:
So how does he see the moves? X-ray glasses? :lol:
I believe that he probably cheats too, but you really need solid proof rather than laughable theories.
Phones can vibrate. Taft did this in Vegas YEARS ago to cheat at blackjack by tracking cards through a shuffle with a computer (not with a phone, of course, but he used various schemes including a vibrator.)
I think many here support this man and his cheating. Disgusting.
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Re: A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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Terry McCracken wrote:What he is doing is a crime both in the moral sense and for the concrete fact taking the prize fund, (money) is theft.
What you are proposing / calling for is not only a crime in the moral sense but also in a strictly legal sense.
There are many more reasons it is deplorable but I won't bother you with that as you don't appear to care.
Typical non-argument. You seem to lack a sense of proportion.
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CRoberson wrote: I think the solution is easy, but they haven't tried it. It seems obvious: search him right after beating a GM and search his shows as well. So far, they search him before and he has been able to predict the rounds that they search him (suspicious).
Anybody able to translate this site?
http://www.blitz.bg/sport/article/197385
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: A new episode in Ivanov's story...

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If there was a lot of money to be made in chess tournaments ... say like in Black Jack at a Las Vegas Casino, I am sure it would not be too difficult to device a scheme where it would be extremely difficult to catch the one cheating. Chess has evolved in such a way that a human (even the world's strongest human chess player) simply has no chance against a strong engine on strong hardware ... it is not even close. If you look at technologies available today, all you really need is to relay a simple message that transfers a tiny amount of data. The computing (which could be bulky if you want high performance) does not have to be in a shoe or even on the body, all you would need is a passive receiving capability. I guess there might be a way to cleverly use RFID's in a setup that would be very compact. With enough money involved, you could even have the RFID's embedded inside the body. There are probably even more sophisticated ways to cheat, but really for chess not much money is involved and I would bet the systems used are quite primitive.