[CCB] Division 5, Edition 8

[Tony Thomas]

An interesting alternate guessing scheme then would be to allow everyone to pick 4 engines, but, only count their top three. The 4th can be used for tiebreak.

This is a very interesting solution. The problem is that people will say that if the 4th picked engine can't be followed, then it will be unfair for people with a bad time zone that don't get to pick their favorite 4th engine, if it's already picked.

Not if any engine can be picked at the 4th place...

[Ovyron]

Not if any engine can be picked at the 4th place...

I guess I am missing something.

If person A wants to pick DeepPatzer, Leila, Tcb0052 and Snitch as the fourth engine and person B wants to pick these 3 engines and also Snitch as the fourth engine, we still have a tie.

[swami]

An interesting alternate guessing scheme then would be to allow everyone to pick 4 engines, but, only count their top three. The 4th can be used for tiebreak.

Thanks for suggestion, Mike. I appreciate it but I think 4 is too much, this is the tourney with only 16 engines overall no matter how close in strength they are relative to one another

I think the current process with Ulysses/Tony's suggestion of engine order to break a tie seems a great one.

Also, Tie Breaks hardly happen now that the tournament set up is extended to 4X round robin.

[Ovyron]

Also, Tie Breaks hardly happen now that the tournament set up is extended to 4X round robin.

Does that cause people to not follow other people?

[Tony Thomas]

Not if any engine can be picked at the 4th place...

I guess I am missing something.

If person A wants to pick DeepPatzer, Leila, Tcb0052 and Snitch as the fourth engine and person B wants to pick these 3 engines and also Snitch as the fourth engine, we still have a tie.

I didnt think about that until after I made the post, I didnt feel like editing the post..Why does it really matter anyway if there is a tie?? Why someone always have to win? Arent we all winners?

[Ovyron]

Why does it really matter anyway if there is a tie?? Why someone always have to win? Arent we all winners?

If I had more faith for Snitch getting 1st place, and it did, I would feel good to have first place over someone that tied with me (because he picked the same 3 engines) if he put Snitch at the bottom.

I don't feel in 1st place when I have to share it, so I think it's great to have a tie breaking system

[Tony Thomas]

Why does it really matter anyway if there is a tie?? Why someone always have to win? Arent we all winners?

If I had more faith for Snitch getting 1st place, and it did, I foul feel good to have first place over someone that tied with me (because he picked the same 3 engines) if he put Snitch at the bottom.

I don't feel in 1st place when I have to share it, so I think it's great to have a tie breaking system

Why dont you get a job as a Mall Security..All the gadgets including the flashlight, but no gun. I am pretty sure it will cure your itch for domination. I hope that you wont see a picture of toad instead of my post due to too many smileys.



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[Ovyron]

I am pretty sure it will cure your itch for domination.

It's not about domination. Tiebreak doesn't ensure that I get first place, it only ensures that someone alone gets it. If this was implemented on the last division that I had shared first place, I would have gotten 2nd place due to tie breaking, but I consider it fair. I'm suggesting it because I think it's fair for two people that do something differently (like picking the same engines on different order) to get different results.

[swami]

Also, Tie Breaks hardly happen now that the tournament set up is extended to 4X round robin.

Does that cause people to not follow other people?

No, It minimizes the huge number of tie breaks even in 2nd, 3rd placings etc when compared to 2X round robin of 30 rounds.

In 4x Round Robin, Engines don't always score the same score relative to one another as they do when it's 2x round robin.

For example, In 2x we get 15,15,15(out of 30) in 6,7,8 placings, hence a lot of tiebreaks.
in 4x, it will be something like 30,31.5, 29 (out of 60) etc hence less tie break.

[swami]

TOURNAMENT FINISHED:

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 Engine        Score     Tc   Sn   Fl   Ro   Dj   Ho   De   Le   De   Gr   Av   Co   Xp   Qu   Th   Dr    S-B
01: Tcb0052       37.0/60 ···· =10= 1010 1110 101= 0001 =1=0 1=11 1011 0111 1111 1101 =000 1110 0011 101=  1088.2
02: Snitch 1.6.2  36.0/60 =01= ···· 11=1 01== 001= 1100 =10= 11== 0001 11== 1010 10== 1111 0110 1110 1110  1059.5
03: Flux          33.5/60 0101 00=0 ···· 1000 1111 =1=1 0000 1011 1=1= 111= 1010 11== 000= 0111 0101 1110  978.50
04: RomiChessP3k  32.5/60 0001 10== 0111 ···· 01=1 =001 1=00 =10= 11=1 1=11 1000 0=01 010= 1=10 1=== 1011  958.25
05: Djinn925x     30.5/60 010= 110= 0000 10=0 ···· 1111 111= =110 =01= 0011 010= 0111 =01= 11=0 =0== 0=00  912.50
06: Horizon_4_4   30.5/60 1110 0011 =0=0 =110 0000 ···· 010= 1001 001= =10= =0=0 ===1 =001 1=1= 1==1 1111  903.00
07: DeepPatzer    30.0/60 =0=1 =01= 1111 0=11 000= 101= ···· 0==1 ==11 =110 0110 1101 =0=0 0000 =0=0 1010  918.25
08: Leila_053h    29.5/60 0=00 00== 0100 =01= =001 0110 1==0 ···· =0=0 1110 ===1 =100 0111 1=00 1111 1110  852.00
09: Der Bringer   29.0/60 0100 1110 0=0= 00=0 =10= 110= ==00 =1=1 ···· 010= 0=1= 0=1= 101= 11=0 11=0 1010  859.00
10: GreKo 5.5     29.0/60 1000 00== 000= 0=00 1100 =01= =001 0001 101= ···· 0011 0=11 1110 10=1 1111 ==11  832.00
11: Averno081     28.5/60 0000 0101 0101 0111 101= =1=1 1001 ===0 1=0= 1100 ···· 11=0 =110 =000 =010 =100  855.50
12: Counter 0.8   28.5/60 0010 01== 00== 1=10 1000 ===0 0010 =011 1=0= 1=00 00=1 ···· 0111 1=== ==10 11=1  838.50
13: Xpdnt 080103  28.0/60 =111 0000 111= 101= =10= =110 =1=1 1000 010= 0001 =001 1000 ···· =011 0001 =010  858.50
14: Queen403      26.5/60 0001 1001 1000 0=01 00=1 0=0= 1111 0=11 00=1 01=0 =111 0=== =100 ···· 10=0 =0=0  796.50
15: ThorsHammer22 25.5/60 1100 0001 1010 0=== =1== 0==0 =1=1 0000 00=1 0000 =101 ==01 1110 01=1 ···· 1000  770.00
16: Dragon46Wb    25.5/60 010= 0001 0001 0100 1=11 0000 0101 0001 0101 ==00 =011 00=0 =101 =1=1 0111 ····  752.25

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