Hispanic chess engines + Winboard Zeta Pack number 18

[pedrox]

I do think he has said that it not will provide the code to those who need them.

I meant:

I do think he has said that it will provide the code to those who need them

[pedrox]

Is the source code of WinBoard Zeta now included with this package? Or is it still a violation of the GPL?

You take absolutely right,

Some have more than one way to measure.

Thank you very much for your comments.

If I can not provide a link to the source code I'll have will exclude Winboard Zeta of pack for fulfill the GPL.

I think I was always very respectful with Bouquet but I can now say in public what I used to think in private.

I hope your well you solve your problems with the GPL and you proportions a link or download the source code of Bouquet, since you and I both know that Bouquet uses the code of Ivanhoe which is GPL. Of course you can say that you have begun in Ippolit as I can say that Winboard Zeta also started from scratch.

Now you can start to insult me ​​as you do with all the people who have said the same.

[kinderchocolate]

For your information, Winboard Zeta is a clear GPL violation because the GPL license is not attached with the executable. Even with the source code on request it is still illegal. HGM always attach a GPLv3 with his works.

[pedrox]

For your information, Winboard Zeta is a clear GPL violation because the GPL license is not attached with the executable. Even with the source code on request it is still illegal. HGM always attach a GPLv3 with his works.

This is not true, because as I said earlier HG has provided beta versions unlicensed. Of course beta versions also have to comply with the license GPL.

Yes or no?

Well, Thanks for the warning I forgot to include the license in the pack for Winboard Zeta, I will include the license, but add the license is not the same as adding the source code into the pack which is what HG demands.

Of course I want to comply with the GPL, if someone wants the source code and asks me and I can not provide it then I will have to remove the pack, I have already said above.

But all this could have been avoided by asking the question if Winboard Zeta is source code available and if is GPL licensed. Neither I nor Alex have never said otherwise.

I have sent an email to Alex Guerrero and when I have the information I will communicate.

[pedrox]

For your information, Winboard Zeta is a clear GPL violation because the GPL license is not attached with the executable. Even with the source code on request it is still illegal. HGM always attach a GPLv3 with his works.

Here you have a test:

http://hgm.nubati.net/WinBoard-Alien.zip

[Adam Hair]

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Winboard Zeta is violating the GPL.

I think that WinBoard-Alien may be violating section 5 and 6(d) of the GPL, but I freely admit that I am not certain.

[IGarcia]

Is the source code of WinBoard Zeta now included with this package? Or is it still a violation of the GPL?

[moderation]
Yes, please: we take licenses very seriously on Talkchess. If you advertise for a product it has to be 100% legit.

this same type of serious attitude need to be applied on other topics
(Rybka, houdini, robbodini, and many many other engines). If we can talk about controversial engines, why not allow talk about controversial "gui".

Moderators need common sense and avoid double standard as with religion topics.

Even if winboard Z is offside GPL, there are (for me) some good points:

- Its free and does not look to become a commercial
- Offers a customized gui with a selected group of engines.
- All the "parts" are free/gpl, available on the web.

You can build your own winboard Z if you decide to take the time and get the engines and customizations.

[michiguel]

Is the source code of WinBoard Zeta now included with this package? Or is it still a violation of the GPL?

[moderation]
Yes, please: we take licenses very seriously on Talkchess. If you advertise for a product it has to be 100% legit.

this same type of serious attitude need to be applied on other topics
(Rybka, houdini, robbodini, and many many other engines). If we can talk about controversial engines, why not allow talk about controversial "gui".

This has nothing to do with talking, it has to do with providing or not software that may or may not be breaking laws (directly affecting the work of a member). This is not allowed in the charter, and we never allowed it. Whenever we have detected it or some one filed a complained, we tried to comply. And BTW, I do not think we ever allowed a link to Robodini. In those cases, we delete the links, we have done countless of times in similar situation when we were sure it was illegal. It is good thing you have not seen those, it means we were quick.

Moderators need common sense and avoid double standard as with religion topics.

Even if winboard Z is offside GPL, there are (for me) some good points:

- Its free and does not look to become a commercial
- Offers a customized gui with a selected group of engines.
- All the "parts" are free/gpl, available on the web.

You can build your own winboard Z if you decide to take the time and get the engines and customizations.

Irrelevant if it breaks the GPL.

Miguel

[hgm]

I do think he has said that it not will provide the code to those who need them.

I meant:

I do think he has said that it will provide the code to those who need them

The problem is that he is lying about this. I did ask him for the source code many months ago, and have not received anything yet.

So it seems he is in fact an ordinary code thief, trying to cover up his status by telling lies to people that have no need for the source code...

[hgm]

- All the "parts" are free/gpl, available on the web.

You can build your own winboard Z if you decide to take the time and get the engines and customizations.

This is in fact not true, which is exactly the point. WinBoard Zeta is a modified version (a fork) of WinBoard, and the source code of the modifications is not available to anyone. This unavailability is what makes it a GPL violation.

It is not that I want to suppressbution of WinBoard Zeta, on the contrary. I encourage improvements, irrespective of who made them. What I want is the source code, so that I can judge which parts are suitable for incorporation of the master branch. But Alex Guerrero has shown on several occasions that he sees the GNU version as a competitor, and he wants to obstruct its development as much as possible. So he does want to prevent incorporation of his patches in the main branch.

This is not an oversight. It is a willful violation of the GPL, for purposes contrary to its spirit!