Hi,yanquis1972 wrote:well, did fritz 12 find it in 2 seconds or 8 minutes?? someone is not telling the truth!
That makes a difference to know how use a programm and how not
Patrick
Fritz 12 Analysis Request
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Le Fou numerique
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Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
That makes a difference to know how use a programm and how not
Patrick
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Michael Diosi
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Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
Hi,
Does this mean it still calculates on the mate in one ? Does it see the underpromition to bishop ? Does it contain games from the future in the high quality database ? Did they fix the 290 moves draw rule ? Does the engine still calculate positions with pawns on 1st/8th rank (in Fritz 10 GUI) ?
Does it still calculate positions with multiple kings, if yes you might try solving those positions: http://www.milanvel.net/pub/FairyKings.pdf (again in the Fritz 10 GUI where this works, as serious testers know.
Does it also calculate positions with no kings at all ?
Fruit for instance will tell you the position is illegal, like any serious engine should do.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
Does this mean it still calculates on the mate in one ? Does it see the underpromition to bishop ? Does it contain games from the future in the high quality database ? Did they fix the 290 moves draw rule ? Does the engine still calculate positions with pawns on 1st/8th rank (in Fritz 10 GUI) ?
Does it still calculate positions with multiple kings, if yes you might try solving those positions: http://www.milanvel.net/pub/FairyKings.pdf (again in the Fritz 10 GUI where this works, as serious testers know.
Does it also calculate positions with no kings at all ?
Fruit for instance will tell you the position is illegal, like any serious engine should do.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
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lonola
Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
Why don't the Arena people actually go to the chess shop and get themselves a copy of Fritz (and run test positions themselves) instead of conducting a guerilla campaign on the web? Even journalists when reviewing a new programme actually go and buy it, and run tests themselves.
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Deep Fritz 11 (4 cores): 16.8 plies; 11.470kN/s Intel(R) Cor
Deep Fritz 11 (4 cores): 16.8 plies; 11.470kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2009.10.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Campano1947"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "2076"]
[BlackElo "2612"]
[Annotator "RESTREPO,PABLO"]
[PlyCount "273"]
[EventDate "2009.10.12"]
[BlackTeam "Deep Fritz 11 (4 cores): 16.8 plies; 11.470kN"]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. d4 {2} c6 {0} 2. e3 {B 0 (e4)} g6 {B 0} 3. c3 {0 (Cf3)} d5 {B 0} 4. f4 {1
(Cf3)} Bg7 {B 0} 5. Nf3 {0 (Cd2)} Nf6 {B 0} 6. Bd3 {0} Bf5 {B 0} 7. O-O {0
(Axf5)} Nbd7 {B 0} 8. Re1 {1 (c4)} Ne4 {B 0} 9. Qe2 {1 (Ch4)} O-O {B 0} 10. a3
{0 (Cbd2)} Qb6 {11} 11. Nbd2 {-0.58/16 0 (c4)} Ndf6 {-0.54/18 9} 12. g3 {1
(Ce5)} c5 {-0.73/15 12} 13. Kg2 {1 (Ce5)} c4 {-1.16/15 7} 14. Bb1 {2} Rac8 {-1.
08/16 3} 15. Nxe4 {2 (h3)} Nxe4 {-1.11/18 2} 16. Nd2 {0} Qe6 {-1.07/18 5} 17.
Nxe4 {2} dxe4 {-0.99/18 3} 18. Kh1 {4 (Dc2)} Bg4 {-1.25/19 5} 19. Qf2 {1} Bf6 {
-1.27/18 5} 20. Bc2 {2} h5 {-1.34/18 3} 21. h4 {2} Rc6 {-1.28/18 2} 22. Bd1 {
2 (Ad2)} Bxd1 {6} 23. Rxd1 {-1.26/17 0} Kg7 {-1.27/18 8} 24. Rd2 {1 (Rh2)} Qh3+
{-1.30/17 5} 25. Kg1 {7} e6 {-1.28/20 0} 26. Qg2 {1 (Tc2)} Qf5 {-1.28/19 4} 27.
Re2 {3 (Tc2)} Rfc8 {-1.27/19 4} 28. Bd2 {1 (Tc2)} Rb6 {-1.27/17 4} 29. Be1 {1}
Be7 {-1.25/17 2} 30. Rc1 {1 (Td2)} Rb5 {3} 31. Rcc2 {-1.25/17 0 (Tec2)} Qd5 {5}
32. Kh2 {-1.25/17 0 (Ted2)} Kf8 {-1.33/16 4} 33. Kg1 {1 (Ad2)} Ke8 {-1.32/19 3}
34. Kh2 {0 (Tc1)} Kd7 {7} 35. Kh1 {-1.42/18 0 (Ted2)} Qc6 {2} 36. Kh2 {-1.51/
17 0 (Ted2)} Kc7 {-1.55/18 12} 37. Kh1 {37 (Rg1)} Kb6 {-1.55/17 3} 38. Kh2 {1
(Tc1)} f6 {2} 39. Kh1 {-1.58/15 0 (Tc1)} Bd6 {-1.62/14 2} 40. Kg1 {1 (Tf2)} g5
{-1.78/15 1} 41. Qh3 {4 (Dh1)} g4 {-1.64/16 1} 42. Qg2 {2} Be7 {-1.59/16 0} 43.
Kh1 {1 (Ted2)} Rd8 {-1.59/15 1} 44. Kh2 {0 (Tf2)} Rb3 {-1.59/15 1} 45. Kh1 {1
(Tc1)} Rb8 {-1.59/16 1} 46. Kh2 {0 (Rg1)} Rc8 {-1.58/16 1} 47. Kh1 {0 (Tc1)}
Rb5 {-1.58/15 1} 48. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Ra5 {-1.59/16 1} 49. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Bd6 {1}
50. Kh2 {-1.59/16 0 (Rg1)} Re8 {-1.57/15 2} 51. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Rb5 {-1.59/14 1}
52. Kg1 {0} Rc8 {-1.58/16 0} 53. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Rh8 {2} 54. Kg1 {-1.57/15 0} f5
{1} 55. Kh1 {-1.54/16 0 (Ted2)} Rd5 {-1.57/15 1} 56. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Qa4 {1} 57.
Kh1 {-1.61/14 0 (Ted2)} Be7 {-1.56/15 1} 58. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Rc8 {1} 59. Kh1 {
-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)} Qb3 {1} 60. Kh2 {-1.58/14 0 (Ted2)} Bf6 {-1.55/15 1} 61. Kh1
{0 (Ted2)} Qb5 {-1.57/14 1} 62. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Qc6 {1} 63. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0
(Rg1)} Kc7 {1} 64. Kh2 {-1.58/13 0 (Rg1)} Rcd8 {1} 65. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)}
R8d7 {1} 66. Kh2 {-1.54/13 0 (Ted2)} Rf7 {0} 67. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Kb6 {0
} 68. Kh2 {-1.53/13 0 (Ted2)} Rf8 {0} 69. Kh1 {-1.58/12 0 (Rg1)} Be7 {0} 70.
Kh2 {-1.58/14 0 (Rg1)} Rg8 {1} 71. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)} Rc8 {0} 72. Kh2 {-1.
56/13 0 (Tc1)} Rd7 {0} 73. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Rcd8 {1} 74. Kh2 {-1.54/13
0 (Ted2)} Kc7 {0} 75. Kh1 {-1.57/11 0 (Rg1)} Qa6 {0} 76. Kh2 {-1.52/13 0 (Ted2)
} Qb5 {-1.55/12 0} 77. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Kb6 {0} 78. Kh2 {-1.53/13 0 (Ted2)} Rg8 {
0} 79. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Qb3 {0} 80. Kh2 {-1.58/12 0 (Ted2)} Kc6 {0} 81.
Kh1 {-1.54/11 0 (Rg1)} b6 {0} 82. Kh2 {-1.52/12 0 (Rg1)} Qb5 {0} 83. Kh1 {-1.
43/13 0 (Rg1)} Kb7 {0} 84. Kh2 {-1.45/13 0 (Ted2)} Rgd8 {0} 85. Kh1 {-1.49/11
0 (Rg1)} Kb8 {0} 86. Kh2 {-1.48/13 0 (Rg1)} Rc7 {0} 87. Kh1 {-1.38/13 0 (Ted2)}
Bd6 {0} 88. Kh2 {-1.41/13 0 (Rg1)} Qd7 {0} 89. Kh1 {-1.38/11 0 (Rg1)} Rcc8 {0}
90. Kh2 {-1.37/13 0 (Rg1)} Qc6 {-1.39/11 0} 91. Kh1 {0 (Rg1)} Kc7 {0} 92. Kh2 {
-1.36/13 0 (Ted2)} Be7 {-1.37/11 0} 93. Qg1 {1 (Tc1)} Kb7 {-1.57/12 0} 94. Bf2
{0 (Rg2)} Rd7 {-1.30/11 0} 95. Qc1 {0 (Tc1)} Bf6 {-1.33/11 0} 96. Kg1 {1 (Rg2)}
Rd5 {0} 97. Kh2 {-1.35/11 0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {-1.35/11 0} 98. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rg8 {-1.
34/11 0} 99. Kh2 {0 (Rg2)} Rb3 {-1.35/13 0} 100. Kg1 {0 (Dd1)} Qd6 {-1.34/11 0}
101. Kh2 {0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {-1.34/11 0} 102. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {0} 103. Kh1 {-1.34/
11 0 (Rg2)} Ra5 {0} 104. Kg1 {-1.34/11 0 (Rg2)} Re8 {-1.34/11 0} 105. Kh1 {0
(Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 106. Kg1 {-1.31/12 0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {0} 107. Kh1 {-1.32/12 0 (Rg2)}
Rf8 {0} 108. Kg1 {-1.31/12 0 (Rg2)} Rb8 {0} 109. Kh1 {-1.31/11 0 (Rg2)} Rc8 {0}
110. Kh2 {-1.33/12 0 (Rg2)} Qd8 {0} 111. Kh1 {-1.31/11 0 (Dd1)} Be7 {-1.31/11 0
} 112. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Ra5 {-1.35/12 0} 113. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {-1.35/12 0} 114.
Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {-1.36/12 0} 115. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Rg8 {0} 116. Kg1 {-1.29/13 0
(Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 117. Kh1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qb5 {0} 118. Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)}
Bd6 {-1.29/11 0} 119. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Qc6 {0} 120. Kg1 {-1.28/13 0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {0}
121. Kh1 {-1.29/13 0 (Rg2)} Rb3 {0} 122. Kg1 {-1.30/11 0 (Rg2)} Bf8 {-1.32/12 0
} 123. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Be7 {0} 124. Kg1 {-1.30/13 0 (Rg2)} Bf6 {0} 125. Kh1 {-1.
32/11 0 (Rg2)} Ka6 {0} 126. Kg1 {-1.32/11 0 (Rg2)} Rg7 {-1.31/11 0} 127. Kh1 {
0 (Rg2)} Kb7 {0} 128. Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Rd7 {0} 129. Kh1 {-1.30/11 0 (Rg2)
} Rb5 {0} 130. Kg1 {-1.29/12 0 (Rg2)} a6 {0} 131. Kh1 {-1.28/13 0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {0
} 132. Kh2 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qd6 {0} 133. Kh1 {-1.28/11 0 (Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 134.
Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {0} 135. Kf1 {-1.28/11 0 (Rg2)} e5 {0} 136. Ke1 {-1.
29/11 0 (fxe5)} exf4 {-1.71/10 0} 137. exf4 {1 Tempo (Lag: Av=0.76s, max=3.1s)
} 1-0
[d]3r4/1k1q4/pp3b2/3r1p1p/2pPpPpP/P1P3P1/1PR1RB2/2Q1K3 b - - 0 137
[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2009.10.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Campano1947"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "2076"]
[BlackElo "2612"]
[Annotator "RESTREPO,PABLO"]
[PlyCount "273"]
[EventDate "2009.10.12"]
[BlackTeam "Deep Fritz 11 (4 cores): 16.8 plies; 11.470kN"]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. d4 {2} c6 {0} 2. e3 {B 0 (e4)} g6 {B 0} 3. c3 {0 (Cf3)} d5 {B 0} 4. f4 {1
(Cf3)} Bg7 {B 0} 5. Nf3 {0 (Cd2)} Nf6 {B 0} 6. Bd3 {0} Bf5 {B 0} 7. O-O {0
(Axf5)} Nbd7 {B 0} 8. Re1 {1 (c4)} Ne4 {B 0} 9. Qe2 {1 (Ch4)} O-O {B 0} 10. a3
{0 (Cbd2)} Qb6 {11} 11. Nbd2 {-0.58/16 0 (c4)} Ndf6 {-0.54/18 9} 12. g3 {1
(Ce5)} c5 {-0.73/15 12} 13. Kg2 {1 (Ce5)} c4 {-1.16/15 7} 14. Bb1 {2} Rac8 {-1.
08/16 3} 15. Nxe4 {2 (h3)} Nxe4 {-1.11/18 2} 16. Nd2 {0} Qe6 {-1.07/18 5} 17.
Nxe4 {2} dxe4 {-0.99/18 3} 18. Kh1 {4 (Dc2)} Bg4 {-1.25/19 5} 19. Qf2 {1} Bf6 {
-1.27/18 5} 20. Bc2 {2} h5 {-1.34/18 3} 21. h4 {2} Rc6 {-1.28/18 2} 22. Bd1 {
2 (Ad2)} Bxd1 {6} 23. Rxd1 {-1.26/17 0} Kg7 {-1.27/18 8} 24. Rd2 {1 (Rh2)} Qh3+
{-1.30/17 5} 25. Kg1 {7} e6 {-1.28/20 0} 26. Qg2 {1 (Tc2)} Qf5 {-1.28/19 4} 27.
Re2 {3 (Tc2)} Rfc8 {-1.27/19 4} 28. Bd2 {1 (Tc2)} Rb6 {-1.27/17 4} 29. Be1 {1}
Be7 {-1.25/17 2} 30. Rc1 {1 (Td2)} Rb5 {3} 31. Rcc2 {-1.25/17 0 (Tec2)} Qd5 {5}
32. Kh2 {-1.25/17 0 (Ted2)} Kf8 {-1.33/16 4} 33. Kg1 {1 (Ad2)} Ke8 {-1.32/19 3}
34. Kh2 {0 (Tc1)} Kd7 {7} 35. Kh1 {-1.42/18 0 (Ted2)} Qc6 {2} 36. Kh2 {-1.51/
17 0 (Ted2)} Kc7 {-1.55/18 12} 37. Kh1 {37 (Rg1)} Kb6 {-1.55/17 3} 38. Kh2 {1
(Tc1)} f6 {2} 39. Kh1 {-1.58/15 0 (Tc1)} Bd6 {-1.62/14 2} 40. Kg1 {1 (Tf2)} g5
{-1.78/15 1} 41. Qh3 {4 (Dh1)} g4 {-1.64/16 1} 42. Qg2 {2} Be7 {-1.59/16 0} 43.
Kh1 {1 (Ted2)} Rd8 {-1.59/15 1} 44. Kh2 {0 (Tf2)} Rb3 {-1.59/15 1} 45. Kh1 {1
(Tc1)} Rb8 {-1.59/16 1} 46. Kh2 {0 (Rg1)} Rc8 {-1.58/16 1} 47. Kh1 {0 (Tc1)}
Rb5 {-1.58/15 1} 48. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Ra5 {-1.59/16 1} 49. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Bd6 {1}
50. Kh2 {-1.59/16 0 (Rg1)} Re8 {-1.57/15 2} 51. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Rb5 {-1.59/14 1}
52. Kg1 {0} Rc8 {-1.58/16 0} 53. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Rh8 {2} 54. Kg1 {-1.57/15 0} f5
{1} 55. Kh1 {-1.54/16 0 (Ted2)} Rd5 {-1.57/15 1} 56. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Qa4 {1} 57.
Kh1 {-1.61/14 0 (Ted2)} Be7 {-1.56/15 1} 58. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Rc8 {1} 59. Kh1 {
-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)} Qb3 {1} 60. Kh2 {-1.58/14 0 (Ted2)} Bf6 {-1.55/15 1} 61. Kh1
{0 (Ted2)} Qb5 {-1.57/14 1} 62. Kh2 {0 (Ted2)} Qc6 {1} 63. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0
(Rg1)} Kc7 {1} 64. Kh2 {-1.58/13 0 (Rg1)} Rcd8 {1} 65. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)}
R8d7 {1} 66. Kh2 {-1.54/13 0 (Ted2)} Rf7 {0} 67. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Kb6 {0
} 68. Kh2 {-1.53/13 0 (Ted2)} Rf8 {0} 69. Kh1 {-1.58/12 0 (Rg1)} Be7 {0} 70.
Kh2 {-1.58/14 0 (Rg1)} Rg8 {1} 71. Kh1 {-1.58/13 0 (Ted2)} Rc8 {0} 72. Kh2 {-1.
56/13 0 (Tc1)} Rd7 {0} 73. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Rcd8 {1} 74. Kh2 {-1.54/13
0 (Ted2)} Kc7 {0} 75. Kh1 {-1.57/11 0 (Rg1)} Qa6 {0} 76. Kh2 {-1.52/13 0 (Ted2)
} Qb5 {-1.55/12 0} 77. Kh1 {0 (Ted2)} Kb6 {0} 78. Kh2 {-1.53/13 0 (Ted2)} Rg8 {
0} 79. Kh1 {-1.55/13 0 (Ted2)} Qb3 {0} 80. Kh2 {-1.58/12 0 (Ted2)} Kc6 {0} 81.
Kh1 {-1.54/11 0 (Rg1)} b6 {0} 82. Kh2 {-1.52/12 0 (Rg1)} Qb5 {0} 83. Kh1 {-1.
43/13 0 (Rg1)} Kb7 {0} 84. Kh2 {-1.45/13 0 (Ted2)} Rgd8 {0} 85. Kh1 {-1.49/11
0 (Rg1)} Kb8 {0} 86. Kh2 {-1.48/13 0 (Rg1)} Rc7 {0} 87. Kh1 {-1.38/13 0 (Ted2)}
Bd6 {0} 88. Kh2 {-1.41/13 0 (Rg1)} Qd7 {0} 89. Kh1 {-1.38/11 0 (Rg1)} Rcc8 {0}
90. Kh2 {-1.37/13 0 (Rg1)} Qc6 {-1.39/11 0} 91. Kh1 {0 (Rg1)} Kc7 {0} 92. Kh2 {
-1.36/13 0 (Ted2)} Be7 {-1.37/11 0} 93. Qg1 {1 (Tc1)} Kb7 {-1.57/12 0} 94. Bf2
{0 (Rg2)} Rd7 {-1.30/11 0} 95. Qc1 {0 (Tc1)} Bf6 {-1.33/11 0} 96. Kg1 {1 (Rg2)}
Rd5 {0} 97. Kh2 {-1.35/11 0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {-1.35/11 0} 98. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rg8 {-1.
34/11 0} 99. Kh2 {0 (Rg2)} Rb3 {-1.35/13 0} 100. Kg1 {0 (Dd1)} Qd6 {-1.34/11 0}
101. Kh2 {0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {-1.34/11 0} 102. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {0} 103. Kh1 {-1.34/
11 0 (Rg2)} Ra5 {0} 104. Kg1 {-1.34/11 0 (Rg2)} Re8 {-1.34/11 0} 105. Kh1 {0
(Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 106. Kg1 {-1.31/12 0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {0} 107. Kh1 {-1.32/12 0 (Rg2)}
Rf8 {0} 108. Kg1 {-1.31/12 0 (Rg2)} Rb8 {0} 109. Kh1 {-1.31/11 0 (Rg2)} Rc8 {0}
110. Kh2 {-1.33/12 0 (Rg2)} Qd8 {0} 111. Kh1 {-1.31/11 0 (Dd1)} Be7 {-1.31/11 0
} 112. Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Ra5 {-1.35/12 0} 113. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {-1.35/12 0} 114.
Kg1 {0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {-1.36/12 0} 115. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Rg8 {0} 116. Kg1 {-1.29/13 0
(Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 117. Kh1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qb5 {0} 118. Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)}
Bd6 {-1.29/11 0} 119. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Qc6 {0} 120. Kg1 {-1.28/13 0 (Rg2)} Rb5 {0}
121. Kh1 {-1.29/13 0 (Rg2)} Rb3 {0} 122. Kg1 {-1.30/11 0 (Rg2)} Bf8 {-1.32/12 0
} 123. Kh1 {0 (Rg2)} Be7 {0} 124. Kg1 {-1.30/13 0 (Rg2)} Bf6 {0} 125. Kh1 {-1.
32/11 0 (Rg2)} Ka6 {0} 126. Kg1 {-1.32/11 0 (Rg2)} Rg7 {-1.31/11 0} 127. Kh1 {
0 (Rg2)} Kb7 {0} 128. Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Rd7 {0} 129. Kh1 {-1.30/11 0 (Rg2)
} Rb5 {0} 130. Kg1 {-1.29/12 0 (Rg2)} a6 {0} 131. Kh1 {-1.28/13 0 (Rg2)} Rd8 {0
} 132. Kh2 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qd6 {0} 133. Kh1 {-1.28/11 0 (Rg2)} Rd5 {0} 134.
Kg1 {-1.29/11 0 (Rg2)} Qd7 {0} 135. Kf1 {-1.28/11 0 (Rg2)} e5 {0} 136. Ke1 {-1.
29/11 0 (fxe5)} exf4 {-1.71/10 0} 137. exf4 {1 Tempo (Lag: Av=0.76s, max=3.1s)
} 1-0
[d]3r4/1k1q4/pp3b2/3r1p1p/2pPpPpP/P1P3P1/1PR1RB2/2Q1K3 b - - 0 137
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Father
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[d]r4n2/1p4rk/pPp1b1p1/P1Pp1p2/4nN1P/3BP3/2Q4R/6RK w - - 0 101
[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2009.10.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Biligats"]
[Black "Father"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2285"]
[BlackElo "1940"]
[Annotator "RESTREPO,PABLO"]
[PlyCount "200"]
[EventDate "2009.10.12"]
[WhiteTeam "Deep Junior 10: 17.3 plies; 6.329kN/s Intel(R"]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. e3 {0} d5 {1} 2. Qf3 {0} e6 {1 (Nc6)} 3. d4 {4} c6 {-0.49/17 0 (Nf6)} 4. Bd3
{4} f5 {-0.38/18 0 (Nf6)} 5. Nh3 {0.10/16 5} Nf6 {1} 6. O-O {-0.06/17 10} Bd6 {
0 (c5)} 7. Qd1 {10} O-O {-0.20/17 0 (e5)} 8. c4 {4} Re8 {-0.19/17 0 (e5)} 9.
Nd2 {0.11/16 3} g6 {2 (c5)} 10. a4 {0.19/17 5} Nbd7 {3 (c5)} 11. c5 {0.06/17 5}
Bc7 {2} 12. b4 {2} Nf8 {-0.03/17 0 (b6)} 13. Bb2 {3} Bd7 {0.50/17 0 (b6)} 14.
b5 {0.70/17 5} a6 {1 (b6)} 15. b6 {0.89/18 3} Bb8 {1} 16. Nf3 {3} Qe7 {0.95/19
0 (e5)} 17. Rc1 {0.97/17 4} Qg7 {0 (Bc8)} 18. Be2 {4} Re7 {0.88/18 0 (a5)} 19.
g3 {4} Be8 {0.91/19 0 (h6)} 20. a5 {3} h5 {0.73/18 0 (Ne4)} 21. Nhg5 {1.02/18 2
} Kh8 {0 (N8h7)} 22. h4 {1.39/18 2} N6h7 {1 (Ne4)} 23. Nh3 {1.65/19 2} Nf6 {1}
24. Rb1 {5} Kg8 {1.43/19 0 (Ne4)} 25. Re1 {3} Kh8 {1.42/19 0 (N8h7)} 26. Bd3 {3
} Kg8 {1.45/20 0 (Ne4)} 27. Re2 {2} Kh8 {1.48/18 0 (N8h7)} 28. Rc2 {4} Kg8 {1.
48/19 0 (N8h7)} 29. Rbc1 {2} Kh8 {1.50/17 0 (N8h7)} 30. Qe1 {3} Kg8 {1.48/19 0
(Ne4)} 31. Rd1 {3} Kh8 {1.49/19 0 (Ne4)} 32. Ra1 {2} Kg8 {1.51/17 0 (N8h7)} 33.
Rcc1 {2} Kh8 {1.52/18 0 (Ne4)} 34. Bc2 {2} Kg8 {1.56/17 0 (N8h7)} 35. Kh1 {2}
Kh8 {1.58/17 0 (N8h7)} 36. Bd3 {2} Kg8 {1.52/18 0 (N8h7)} 37. Rc2 {2} Kh8 {1.
52/17 0 (N8h7)} 38. Bf1 {3} Kg8 {1.51/18 0 (N8h7)} 39. Bg2 {2} Kh8 {1.54/18 0
(N8h7)} 40. Nf4 {1} Kg8 {1.69/17 0 (N8h7)} 41. Ng5 {2} Kh8 {1.66/16 0 (N6h7)}
42. Ngh3 {1.85/14 1} Kg8 {1 (Ng4)} 43. f3 {1.67/16 2} Bd7 {12 (N6d7)} 44. Nd3 {
2.08/17 1} Be8 {2 (N8h7)} 45. Ra2 {1.93/16 1} Bd7 {2 (N6d7)} 46. Rc1 {1.93/17 2
} Be8 {1 (N8h7)} 47. Bc3 {1.80/16 1} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 48. Rb1 {2.18/16 1} Be8 {
0 (N6h7)} 49. Rd1 {1.82/17 2} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 50. Qf2 {2.09/18 2} Be8 {0 (N6h7)}
51. Re1 {1.77/16 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 52. Nhf4 {2.22/16 1} Be8 {1 (N8h7)} 53. Raa1
{1.94/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 54. Kh2 {2.13/16 2} Be8 {0} 55. Rh1 {2.09/15 0} Bd7
{0 (N6d7)} 56. Bh3 {2.22/16 2} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 57. Qb2 {1.88/15 2} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)
} 58. Bg2 {2.20/14 1} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 59. Rhg1 {2.02/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 60.
Rae1 {2.23/14 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 61. Qa3 {1.88/14 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 62. Re2 {2.10/
14 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 63. Rf2 {1.97/14 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 64. Bh3 {2.20/14 1} Be8 {
0 (N8h7)} 65. Qb2 {2.15/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 66. Ra1 {2.36/13 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)}
67. Kh1 {1} Bd7 {2.04/14 0 (g5)} 68. Rg1 {2.36/13 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 69. Bg2 {
2.13/13 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 70. Qa1 {2.25/12 0} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 71. Bh3 {1} Bd7 {2.
13/13 0 (N8h7)} 72. Qd1 {2.47/12 1} Be8 {0 (g5)} 73. Kh2 {2.12/12 0} Bd7 {0
(N8d7)} 74. Rd2 {1} Be8 {2.41/13 0 (N8h7)} 75. Ra2 {2.06/12 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)}
76. Qc1 {2.46/12 1} Be8 {0} 77. Rf2 {2.03/14 0} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 78. Qc2 {1} Be8
{2.34/13 0 (N8h7)} 79. Bg2 {2.07/12 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 80. Bf1 {2.40/11 0} Be8 {
0} 81. Qc1 {1.89/15 0} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 82. Rgg2 {0} Be8 {2.48/11 0 (g5)} 83. Kh1
{2.06/12 0} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 84. Rg1 {2.41/11 0} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 85. Rh2 {2.06/12 0}
Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 86. Qb2 {2.55/12 0} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 87. Qa1 {2.26/11 0} Bd7 {2
(N6d7)} 88. Qd1 {2.53/11 0} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 89. Qd2 {0} Bd7 {2.22/10 0 (N8d7)}
90. Bb2 {2.50/11 0} Be8 {0} 91. Qc2 {1.49/15 0} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 92. Ne5 {1} Be8
{1.25/13 0} 93. g4 {0.96/14 0} hxg4 {3} 94. Be2 {1.23/16 0} Kh7 {4 (N6d7)} 95.
fxg4 {1.58/9 0} Bxe5 {14 (Ne4)} 96. dxe5 {2.06/9 0} Ne4 {10} 97. Bd3 {2.79/19 0
} Bd7 {3 (Qg8)} 98. gxf5 {5.01/9 0} exf5 {1} 99. e6 {4.89/15 0} Bxe6 {4 (Qh6)}
100. Bxg7 {7.83/6 0} Rxg7 {1 Time (Lag: Av=0.56s, max=1.0s)} 0-1
[d]r4n2/1p4rk/pPp1b1p1/P1Pp1p2/4nN1P/3BP3/2Q4R/6RK w - - 0 101
[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2009.10.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Biligats"]
[Black "Father"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2285"]
[BlackElo "1940"]
[Annotator "RESTREPO,PABLO"]
[PlyCount "200"]
[EventDate "2009.10.12"]
[WhiteTeam "Deep Junior 10: 17.3 plies; 6.329kN/s Intel(R"]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. e3 {0} d5 {1} 2. Qf3 {0} e6 {1 (Nc6)} 3. d4 {4} c6 {-0.49/17 0 (Nf6)} 4. Bd3
{4} f5 {-0.38/18 0 (Nf6)} 5. Nh3 {0.10/16 5} Nf6 {1} 6. O-O {-0.06/17 10} Bd6 {
0 (c5)} 7. Qd1 {10} O-O {-0.20/17 0 (e5)} 8. c4 {4} Re8 {-0.19/17 0 (e5)} 9.
Nd2 {0.11/16 3} g6 {2 (c5)} 10. a4 {0.19/17 5} Nbd7 {3 (c5)} 11. c5 {0.06/17 5}
Bc7 {2} 12. b4 {2} Nf8 {-0.03/17 0 (b6)} 13. Bb2 {3} Bd7 {0.50/17 0 (b6)} 14.
b5 {0.70/17 5} a6 {1 (b6)} 15. b6 {0.89/18 3} Bb8 {1} 16. Nf3 {3} Qe7 {0.95/19
0 (e5)} 17. Rc1 {0.97/17 4} Qg7 {0 (Bc8)} 18. Be2 {4} Re7 {0.88/18 0 (a5)} 19.
g3 {4} Be8 {0.91/19 0 (h6)} 20. a5 {3} h5 {0.73/18 0 (Ne4)} 21. Nhg5 {1.02/18 2
} Kh8 {0 (N8h7)} 22. h4 {1.39/18 2} N6h7 {1 (Ne4)} 23. Nh3 {1.65/19 2} Nf6 {1}
24. Rb1 {5} Kg8 {1.43/19 0 (Ne4)} 25. Re1 {3} Kh8 {1.42/19 0 (N8h7)} 26. Bd3 {3
} Kg8 {1.45/20 0 (Ne4)} 27. Re2 {2} Kh8 {1.48/18 0 (N8h7)} 28. Rc2 {4} Kg8 {1.
48/19 0 (N8h7)} 29. Rbc1 {2} Kh8 {1.50/17 0 (N8h7)} 30. Qe1 {3} Kg8 {1.48/19 0
(Ne4)} 31. Rd1 {3} Kh8 {1.49/19 0 (Ne4)} 32. Ra1 {2} Kg8 {1.51/17 0 (N8h7)} 33.
Rcc1 {2} Kh8 {1.52/18 0 (Ne4)} 34. Bc2 {2} Kg8 {1.56/17 0 (N8h7)} 35. Kh1 {2}
Kh8 {1.58/17 0 (N8h7)} 36. Bd3 {2} Kg8 {1.52/18 0 (N8h7)} 37. Rc2 {2} Kh8 {1.
52/17 0 (N8h7)} 38. Bf1 {3} Kg8 {1.51/18 0 (N8h7)} 39. Bg2 {2} Kh8 {1.54/18 0
(N8h7)} 40. Nf4 {1} Kg8 {1.69/17 0 (N8h7)} 41. Ng5 {2} Kh8 {1.66/16 0 (N6h7)}
42. Ngh3 {1.85/14 1} Kg8 {1 (Ng4)} 43. f3 {1.67/16 2} Bd7 {12 (N6d7)} 44. Nd3 {
2.08/17 1} Be8 {2 (N8h7)} 45. Ra2 {1.93/16 1} Bd7 {2 (N6d7)} 46. Rc1 {1.93/17 2
} Be8 {1 (N8h7)} 47. Bc3 {1.80/16 1} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 48. Rb1 {2.18/16 1} Be8 {
0 (N6h7)} 49. Rd1 {1.82/17 2} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 50. Qf2 {2.09/18 2} Be8 {0 (N6h7)}
51. Re1 {1.77/16 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 52. Nhf4 {2.22/16 1} Be8 {1 (N8h7)} 53. Raa1
{1.94/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 54. Kh2 {2.13/16 2} Be8 {0} 55. Rh1 {2.09/15 0} Bd7
{0 (N6d7)} 56. Bh3 {2.22/16 2} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 57. Qb2 {1.88/15 2} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)
} 58. Bg2 {2.20/14 1} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 59. Rhg1 {2.02/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 60.
Rae1 {2.23/14 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 61. Qa3 {1.88/14 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 62. Re2 {2.10/
14 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 63. Rf2 {1.97/14 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 64. Bh3 {2.20/14 1} Be8 {
0 (N8h7)} 65. Qb2 {2.15/14 1} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 66. Ra1 {2.36/13 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)}
67. Kh1 {1} Bd7 {2.04/14 0 (g5)} 68. Rg1 {2.36/13 1} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 69. Bg2 {
2.13/13 1} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 70. Qa1 {2.25/12 0} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 71. Bh3 {1} Bd7 {2.
13/13 0 (N8h7)} 72. Qd1 {2.47/12 1} Be8 {0 (g5)} 73. Kh2 {2.12/12 0} Bd7 {0
(N8d7)} 74. Rd2 {1} Be8 {2.41/13 0 (N8h7)} 75. Ra2 {2.06/12 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)}
76. Qc1 {2.46/12 1} Be8 {0} 77. Rf2 {2.03/14 0} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 78. Qc2 {1} Be8
{2.34/13 0 (N8h7)} 79. Bg2 {2.07/12 1} Bd7 {0 (N8d7)} 80. Bf1 {2.40/11 0} Be8 {
0} 81. Qc1 {1.89/15 0} Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 82. Rgg2 {0} Be8 {2.48/11 0 (g5)} 83. Kh1
{2.06/12 0} Bd7 {0 (g5)} 84. Rg1 {2.41/11 0} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 85. Rh2 {2.06/12 0}
Bd7 {0 (N6d7)} 86. Qb2 {2.55/12 0} Be8 {0 (Bxf4)} 87. Qa1 {2.26/11 0} Bd7 {2
(N6d7)} 88. Qd1 {2.53/11 0} Be8 {0 (N8h7)} 89. Qd2 {0} Bd7 {2.22/10 0 (N8d7)}
90. Bb2 {2.50/11 0} Be8 {0} 91. Qc2 {1.49/15 0} Bd7 {0 (N8h7)} 92. Ne5 {1} Be8
{1.25/13 0} 93. g4 {0.96/14 0} hxg4 {3} 94. Be2 {1.23/16 0} Kh7 {4 (N6d7)} 95.
fxg4 {1.58/9 0} Bxe5 {14 (Ne4)} 96. dxe5 {2.06/9 0} Ne4 {10} 97. Bd3 {2.79/19 0
} Bd7 {3 (Qg8)} 98. gxf5 {5.01/9 0} exf5 {1} 99. e6 {4.89/15 0} Bxe6 {4 (Qh6)}
100. Bxg7 {7.83/6 0} Rxg7 {1 Time (Lag: Av=0.56s, max=1.0s)} 0-1
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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lonola
Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
Then you should not be conducting tests and reviews on something you don't actually have. These Arena fanboys were posting "bugs" in Fritz 12 before it was released and telling us what was in Fritz 13 and Fritz 20.SzG wrote:I would never buy a 100 € program without knowing at least basically what I get.
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Michael Diosi
- Posts: 672
- Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:37 pm
Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
because I want to know if they listen to their customers before releasing version 12 with bugs known since version 6.
But you as a "serious" tester I am sure you can tell us, but not saying anything is telling us more than you think.
You see even people who have the program won't tell you at least one of those bugs has been fixed. Guess why. Because it hasn't been fixed.
Why should I buy such a crap ?
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
But you as a "serious" tester I am sure you can tell us, but not saying anything is telling us more than you think.
You see even people who have the program won't tell you at least one of those bugs has been fixed. Guess why. Because it hasn't been fixed.
Why should I buy such a crap ?
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
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Michael Diosi
- Posts: 672
- Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:37 pm
Still no solving time for the mate in one ?
Hi,
Obviously not. Or do you want to tell us that Frtitz won't save a mate in one. Imagine now a mate in 2, as a serchtree grows exponentialy you all can imagine how long it will take to solve such a difficult problem.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
Obviously not. Or do you want to tell us that Frtitz won't save a mate in one. Imagine now a mate in 2, as a serchtree grows exponentialy you all can imagine how long it will take to solve such a difficult problem.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
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Michael Diosi
- Posts: 672
- Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:37 pm
Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
This is as usual a LIE. I asked about Fritz 12 and its bugs after it has been released and we only republisehd our previous bug reports (Fritz 6-Fritz11) sent to ChessBase and asked whether anything has been fixed. This is more than legitimate as we want to know BEFORE we buy, we don't like surprises.
It seems nothing has been fixed. Not that we wonder.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
It seems nothing has been fixed. Not that we wonder.
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
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Uri Blass
- Posts: 10822
- Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:37 am
- Location: Tel-Aviv Israel
Re: Fritz 12 Analysis Request
There is another possibility that it is dependent on the hardware.yanquis1972 wrote:well, did fritz 12 find it in 2 seconds or 8 minutes?? someone is not telling the truth!
I guess that Fritz12 on hardware of today needs 8 minutes but if you wait for the hardware to improve you may find(maybe in 2020) that computers are 240 times faster(even for single processor engines) so Fritz12 is going to need only 2 seconds.