Who will win this Division Movei, prodeo or Chess Tiger ?

[Kaj Soderberg]

Go-Tiger-Go !

[pichy]

Go-Tiger-Go !

Chess Tiger has a better chance for the 2nd Place than Pro Deo, since Prodeo 1.6b still has to play versus mighty Colossus 2007d and Chiron 0.87

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm

[Tony Thomas]

Go-Tiger-Go !

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[Uri Blass]

Go-Tiger-Go !

Chess Tiger has a better chance for the 2nd Place than Pro Deo, since Prodeo 1.6b still has to play versus mighty Colossus 2007d and Chiron 0.87

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm

Not sure about it.

Tiger also needs to play against strong opponents like
Bright 0.2b amd Aristarch 4.50

Bright is probably the strongest player in the division and it was simply unlucky.
Bright still has chances to get the first place.

Uri

[Dann Corbit]

Go-Tiger-Go !

Chess Tiger has a better chance for the 2nd Place than Pro Deo, since Prodeo 1.6b still has to play versus mighty Colossus 2007d and Chiron 0.87

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm

Not sure about it.

Tiger also needs to play against strong opponents like
Bright 0.2b amd Aristarch 4.50

Bright is probably the strongest player in the division and it was simply unlucky.
Bright still has chances to get the first place.

Uri

I think that among the top 6-10 we do not know for sure which is strongest on Leo's hardware with his tablebase files, etc.

I guess that Bright may really be the 4th strongest on Leo's hardware and that Movei may really be the strongest. When viewed as a simple Elo base and not a tournament, we see this outcome:

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   Program                   Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
 1 Movei 0.08.438          : 2826   75  73    76    66.4 %   2707   19.7 %
 2 Pro Deo 1.6b            : 2810   69  67    76    66.4 %   2691   30.3 %
 3 ChessTiger 2007-1       : 2804   66  65    76    65.8 %   2690   34.2 %
 4 Bright 0.2b             : 2773   66  65    76    61.2 %   2694   32.9 %
 5 Chiron 0.87             : 2772   72  70    76    61.2 %   2693   22.4 %
 6 Colossus 2007d          : 2769   67  67    76    61.2 %   2690   30.3 %
 7 Delfi 5.2               : 2760   64  63    76    59.2 %   2696   36.8 %
 8 Aristarch 4.50          : 2748   67  67    76    57.9 %   2693   28.9 %
 9 Petir 5.0               : 2740   68  67    76    55.9 %   2698   27.6 %
10 WARP 0.65               : 2728   66  66    72    52.8 %   2708   33.3 %
11 Frenzee 3.0-x64         : 2704   66  66    72    50.0 %   2704   33.3 %
12 Pseudo 0.7c             : 2703   61  61    76    52.0 %   2690   40.8 %
13 Ufim 8.02               : 2696   68  68    72    49.3 %   2701   29.2 %
14 E.T.Chess 181105        : 2679   67  67    76    47.4 %   2698   28.9 %
15 Tao 5.7 b07 uci         : 2677   70  71    76    47.4 %   2696   21.1 %
16 Chepla 0.73             : 2665   61  62    76    44.7 %   2702   39.5 %
17 SOS 5.1                 : 2665   69  69    76    45.4 %   2697   25.0 %
18 GreenLightChess 3.01.2.2: 2652   67  68    72    41.0 %   2715   31.9 %
19 TRACE 1.37a             : 2643   70  71    72    41.0 %   2707   26.4 %
20 Zarkov 4.97             : 2633   65  66    72    40.3 %   2701   36.1 %
21 Yace 0.99.87            : 2625   70  71    72    37.5 %   2714   27.8 %
22 AnMon 5.60              : 2606   65  66    76    35.5 %   2710   34.2 %
23 Pepito 1.59             : 2558   69  71    76    28.9 %   2714   28.9 %
24 FranMAD 0.13            : 2543   75  77    72    28.5 %   2703   23.6 %

Now CCRL 40/40 does show Bright as +40 Elo over Movei:

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15 Bright 0.2b 2803 +26 -26 54.8% -38.2 32.7% 502 
16 Chess Tiger 2007.1 2796 +14 -14 42.8% +47.1 41.5% 1782 
17 SmarThink 1.00 64-bit 2791 +36 -36 50.2% -1.8 36.6% 254 
18 Chessmaster 11 2773 +18 -19 41.2% +57.4 37.5% 966 
19 Movei 00.8.438 (10 10 10) 2760 +37 -37 49.2% +3.2 34.2% 240 
20 Alaric 707 2752 +21 -21 43.6% +45.7 35.3% 764 

And CEGT 40/20 shows bright at + 19 Elo:

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157 Frenzee dec07 2679 24 24 552 49.5% 2682 30.3% 
158 Bright 0.2a 2678 24 24 545 50.7% 2673 32.5% 
159 The King 3.5 1CPU 2676 18 18 1012 44.9% 2712 32.4% 
160 Ktulu 7.1 2676 18 18 1007 49.9% 2677 31.4% 
161 Glaurung 1.2.1 1CPU 2674 16 16 1195 49.5% 2678 30.6% 
162 Hiarcs 9 2673 8 8 4280 50.4% 2670 35.3% 
163 Crafty Cito 1.4.3 x64 2CPU 2671 53 53 113 44.2% 2711 33.6% 
164 Deep Pharaon 3.5.1 2CPU 2670 17 17 1043 47.5% 2687 33.4% 
165 Spike 1.0a Mainz 2668 11 11 2357 48.7% 2677 35.0% 
166 Chess Tiger 15.0 2668 8 8 4895 49.1% 2675 36.5% 
167 Scorpio 1.8 1CPU 2666 19 19 905 46.1% 2693 30.2% 
168 Deep Sjeng 1.6 2CPU 2665 26 26 476 44.2% 2705 30.9% 
169 Alaric 704 2665 30 30 344 49.0% 2672 34.6% 
170 Crafty Cito 1.4.2 x64 2CPU 2664 29 29 380 50.9% 2658 30.8% 
171 CMX R1 2663 49 49 145 48.6% 2672 26.9% 
172 Junior 8 2662 28 28 458 43.1% 2710 26.0% 
173 Movei 0.08.438 P10 2660 29 29 350 46.6% 2684 36.6% 

At any rate, I think it is not fully clear that Bright is stronger though it seems on some hardware it may be and also with multiple CPUs it will be stronger.

[Tony Thomas]

Dann, dont forget the fact that Leo's tournaments are ponder on. So a better comparison would be to compare movei and Bright at blitz and long time control from the same testing group and see how much Movei gains from slower time control.

CCRL 40/4
Bright-0.2b 2787 +28 −28 49.8% −0.8 30.5% 443
21 Movei 00.8.438(10 10 10) 2730 +17 −17 49.6% +3.0 32.1% 1242

Difference 57 points.
When it comes to 40/40 movei manages to reduce the lead by another 20 points. I guess under Leo's conditions they are almost equal and Bright did not have one of the best tournaments.

[pichy]

There are only about 10 more rounds left. I do hope that Movei wins this division, I wont write off the ability of Chess Tiger yet.

I was lucky to predict that Movei will end up on first 1st, and for more than a month Movei kept on the top of this 1st Division. Movei was lucky to continue for so long being on top but the race from the very beginning was very closed. Still it is NOT clear who will end up on first, but chances are that Movei 00_8_438 will end up on first. Chess Tiger 2007-1 has been all over, for a few weeks it was on fourth place than on third and now it is standing on 2nd place.

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm

PS: Congratulation Uri, for achieving such a high rating on such a short time

[Jouni]

bright - Chess Tiger 3-1! This is going to be very exciting! BTW are 5 best playing already in next Premier Division?

Jouni

PS. It's stunning how well pre-historic Aristarch is playing

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

bright - Chess Tiger 3-1! This is going to be very exciting! BTW are 5 best playing already in next Premier Division?

Jouni

As I stated before,when playing with it's default opening book,Bright performs much better than with generic opening book....

[Tony Thomas]

bright - Chess Tiger 3-1! This is going to be very exciting! BTW are 5 best playing already in next Premier Division?

Jouni

PS. It's stunning how well pre-historic Aristarch is playing

Only the number one is guaranteed a spot in premier. Places 2-5 have to play against the last five engines from Premier, and out of those 9 engines, 4 top scorers promotes to Premier and the rest goes down to 1st division.