Movei does NOT know how to mate with a King and Rook

[Tony Thomas]

Movei certainly knows to do it with tablebases or at longer time control

With tablebases all the engines ,no matter how dumb they are ,know to deliver mate with king and rook!!

May be you didnt notice, without tablebases at longer time control. I have seen Movei mating many times with king and Rook.

[rdan1987]

Movei certainly knows to do it with tablebases or at longer time control

With tablebases all the engines ,no matter how dumb they are ,know to deliver mate with king and rook!!

May be you didnt notice, without tablebases at longer time control. I have seen Movei mating many times with king and Rook.

I understand that...but it should also do it at blitz games!

[pichy]

I will probably never use prodeo again because it is not friendly opponent.

result in my test against prodeo1.2 was 19-19 and prodeo simply crashed after the following long game and simply lost the rest of the games on time.

prodeo is unfriendly opponent and same is also correct for zappa1.1 that is not good opponent for testing.

[Event "URI-AMD, Blitz:1'+1""]
[Site "URI-AMD"]
[Date "2007.06.07"]
[Round "38"]
[White "Movei00_8_423"]
[Black "Pro Deo 1.2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B08"]
[Annotator "0.84;0.37"]
[PlyCount "405"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{W=10.9 ply; 535kN/s B=8.3 ply; 1,060kN/s} 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Nf3
Bg7 5. Be2 O-O 6. O-O Bg4 {Both last book move} 7. Be3 {0.84/9 2} Nbd7 {
(e7-e6) 0.37/10 2} 8. d5 {(h2-h3) 0.68/9 3} a6 {(Bg4xf3) 0.17/10 3} 9. Kh1 {
(h2-h3) 0.76/9 2} Nb6 {(Bg4xf3) 0.08/9 3} 10. Bd4 {(Nf3-d4) 0.77/8 3} Bh6 {
(Bg4-d7) 0.06/9 2} 11. Qd3 {(Nf3-d2) 0.69/10 6} c5 {(Bh6-f4) 0.05/10 3} 12.
dxc6 {0.85/10 2} bxc6 {0.24/11 6} 13. Bxf6 {1.05/9 2} exf6 {0.12/6 0} 14. Rfd1
{(Ra1-d1) 1.00/10 2} Nc8 {(Bg4xf3) 0.16/10 2} 15. Nd4 {0.90/9 2} Bd7 {0.19/11 6
} 16. Rab1 {(Qd3-g3) 0.85/8 1} Re8 {0.13/10 2} 17. b4 {(g2-g3) 0.71/9 3} Qc7 {
(Nc8-b6) 0.10/9 2} 18. Qf3 {(Qd3-g3) 0.76/9 3} Bg7 {0.14/9 2} 19. Qf4 {0.56/9 3
} Nb6 {0.10/9 2} 20. Qg3 {(Rb1-c1) 0.58/9 4} f5 {0.08/9 2} 21. exf5 {0.27/10 2}
Be5 {-0.17/9 2} 22. Qh3 {(f2-f4) 0.08/9 1} Bxd4 {(c6-c5) -0.19/8 1} 23. Rxd4 {
0.23/10 2} Bxf5 {-0.19/10 2} 24. Qg3 {0.20/10 2} Re5 {-0.27/10 2} 25. Rd2 {
(f2-f4) 0.15/9 4} Qe7 {(Ra8-e8) -0.26/9 2} 26. Qf3 {(Rb1-d1) -0.12/9 2} d5 {
-0.60/9 2} 27. a3 {(h2-h3) -0.50/9 2} Qg5 {(Ra8-e8) -1.00/9 1} 28. Rd4 {
(Qf3-g3) -0.93/9 1} Bxc2 {-1.11/9 2} 29. h4 {(Rb1-a1) -1.14/9 2} Qe7 {
-1.39/10 2} 30. Rb2 {-1.19/9 1} Bf5 {-1.42/9 1} 31. Kg1 {(Kh1-h2) -1.32/8 1}
Re8 {-1.55/9 1} 32. h5 {(Rb2-d2) -1.43/9 2} Nc4 {(Nb6-a4) -1.63/8 1} 33. Ra2 {
-1.23/8 1} Qa7 {(Qe7-g5) -1.58/8 2} 34. Rf4 {(Rd4-d1) -1.49/8 2} Nd6 {-1.56/9 2
} 35. Rd2 {(h5xg6) -1.40/9 3} Nb5 {(g6xh5) -1.58/8 2} 36. Nxb5 {-1.59/9 3} axb5
{-1.51/5 0} 37. Kf1 {(h5xg6) -1.69/9 2} c5 {(Bf5-e4) -1.55/8 2} 38. bxc5 {
(h5xg6) -1.75/8 1} Qxc5 {-1.47/5 0} 39. g3 {-2.07/9 2} Bh3+ {-1.95/8 1} 40. Kg1
{-1.87/10 2} Rxh5 {-1.89/9 1} 41. Rfd4 {-1.74/9 1} Rf5 {-1.85/9 1} 42. Qd3 {
-1.58/9 2} Rfe5 {-2.08/9 1} 43. Qxb5 {(Rd4-b4) -1.61/9 2} Qe7 {
(Qc5xa3) -1.61/9 1} 44. Rh4 {(Be2-f3) -1.74/9 1} Rxe2 {(d5-d4) -1.75/5 0} 45.
Qxe2 {-1.52/12 1} Qxe2 {-1.82/5 0} 46. Rxe2 {-1.36/12 1} Rxe2 {-1.55/5 0} 47.
Rxh3 {-1.38/11 1} Re4 {(Re2-e1+) -1.68/12 1} 48. Rh4 {(Kg1-g2) -0.99/10 1} Rxh4
{-1.83/12 1} 49. gxh4 {-0.69/11 1} Kf8 {-1.82/16 2} 50. f4 {(Kg1-f1) -0.64/13 3
} Ke7 {-1.84/16 1} 51. Kf2 {-0.64/13 2} Kd6 {-1.89/15 1} 52. a4 {
(Kf2-e3) -0.74/13 3} Kc5 {-1.79/15 2} 53. Ke3 {-0.66/13 1} f5 {
(f7-f6) -1.57/15 2} 54. a5 {-0.51/14 1} Kb5 {-0.25/15 1} 55. Kd4 {-0.44/15 1}
Kxa5 {-0.15/12 0} 56. Kxd5 {0.00/14 1} Kb4 {(Ka5-b5) -0.26/18 1} 57. Ke5 {
(Kd5-e6) 0.00/15 1} Kc4 {-0.24/18 1} 58. Kf6 {0.00/16 1} Kd5 {-0.17/19 2} 59.
Kg7 {0.00/18 1} Ke4 {0.00/20 3} 60. Kxh7 {0.00/21 1} Kxf4 {-0.22/5 0} 61. Kg7 {
(Kh7xg6) 0.00/1 0} g5 {-1.53/15 1} 62. h5 {0.00/1 0} g4 {-1.52/14 1} 63. h6 {
0.00/1 0} g3 {-1.53/13 1} 64. h7 {0.00/1 0} g2 {-1.58/14 3} 65. h8=Q {0.00/1 0}
g1=Q+ {-1.36/12 2} 66. Kf7 {0.00/1 0} Qa7+ {-1.58/8 2} 67. Kg6 {
(Kf7-e6) 0.00/1 0} Qa6+ {-1.71/8 1} 68. Kh5 {(Kg6-f7) 0.00/1 0} Qe2+ {-1.61/9 1
} 69. Kg6 {0.00/1 0} Qg2+ {-1.63/9 2} 70. Kf7 {0.00/1 0} Qd5+ {-1.66/9 2} 71.
Kg6 {0.00/1 0} Kg3 {-1.48/9 3} 72. Qc3+ {0.00/1 0} Kg4 {-1.44/9 2} 73. Qc8 {
0.00/1 0} Qd6+ {-1.44/9 2} 74. Kf7 {0.00/1 0} Qh6 {-1.43/9 3} 75. Qd8 {
(Qc8-c2) 0.00/1 0} Qe3 {-1.42/9 2} 76. Qc8 {(Qd8-d7) 0.00/1 0} Qd2 {-1.41/9 2}
77. Qe6 {(Kf7-f6) 0.00/1 0} Qd3 {-1.35/9 2} 78. Qg6+ {0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-1.39/8 2}
79. Qh5 {(Qg6-h6+) 0.00/1 0} Qd7+ {-1.39/8 2} 80. Kf8 {(Kf7-f6) 0.00/1 0} Qd5 {
-1.35/8 1} 81. Qg6 {(Kf8-e7) 0.00/1 0} Qe4 {-1.58/8 1} 82. Qh6+ {0.00/1 0} Kg3
{-1.57/8 2} 83. Qg7+ {0.00/1 0} Kf2 {-1.60/8 2} 84. Qb2+ {0.00/1 0} Kf3 {
-1.53/5 0} 85. Qc3+ {0.00/1 0} Qe3 {-1.48/8 1} 86. Qc6+ {0.00/1 0} Kg4 {
-1.50/9 2} 87. Qg6+ {0.00/1 0} Qg5 {-1.46/5 0} 88. Qe6 {0.00/1 0} Kf3 {
-1.44/5 0} 89. Qd5+ {0.00/1 0} Kg3 {-1.51/8 3} 90. Qe5+ {0.00/1 0} Qf4 {
-1.44/5 0} 91. Qc3+ {0.00/1 0} Kg4 {-1.42/5 0} 92. Kf7 {0.00/1 0} Qe4 {
-1.42/5 0} 93. Qg7+ {0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-1.43/8 2} 94. Qh6+ {0.00/1 0} Kg3 {
-1.45/5 0} 95. Qg7+ {0.00/1 0} Kf2 {-1.43/8 2} 96. Qb2+ {0.00/1 0} Qe2 {
-1.41/5 0} 97. Qc1 {0.00/1 0} Kf3 {-1.40/8 1} 98. Qh1+ {(Qc1-c3+) 0.00/1 0} Qg2
{-1.42/5 0} 99. Qd1+ {0.00/1 0} Ke3 {-1.35/8 2} 100. Qb3+ {0.00/1 0} Kf4 {
-1.33/5 0} 101. Qd1 {(Qb3-e6) 0.00/1 0} Qe4 {-1.34/8 2} 102. Qh5 {
(Kf7-f6) 0.00/1 0} Ke3 {-1.40/9 3} 103. Qd1 {0.00/1 0} f4 {-1.49/5 0} 104. Qe1+
{0.00/1 0} Kd4 {-1.46/5 0} 105. Qa1+ {(Qe1-b4+) 0.00/1 0} Kc4 {-1.48/5 0} 106.
Qa2+ {(Qa1-a4+) 0.00/1 0} Kc3 {-2.04/8 4} 107. Kf6 {(Qa2-a1+) 0.00/1 0} f3 {
-1.60/5 0} 108. Kg5 {0.00/1 0} Qe3+ {-3.07/5 0} 109. Kh4 {(Kg5-h5) 0.00/1 0} f2
{-3.39/5 0} 110. Qf7 {0.00/1 0} Kd3 {-3.42/5 0} 111. Qb3+ {0.00/1 0} Ke2 {
-3.03/8 1} 112. Qb5+ {0.00/1 0} Kf3 {-3.10/8 2} 113. Qh5+ {0.00/1 0} Ke4 {
-3.03/5 0} 114. Qg6+ {(Qh5-h7+) 0.00/1 0} Kd5 {-3.10/8 2} 115. Qf7+ {0.00/1 0}
Kd6 {-3.12/5 0} 116. Qg6+ {0.00/1 0} Kc7 {-3.13/8 2} 117. Qf7+ {
(Qg6-h7+) 0.00/1 0} Kc6 {-3.14/5 0} 118. Qg6+ {(Qf7-c4+) 0.00/1 0} Kb7 {
-2.88/8 1} 119. Qf7+ {(Qg6-b1+) 0.00/1 0} Kb6 {-3.12/8 2} 120. Qg6+ {0.00/1 0}
Ka5 {-3.11/5 0} 121. Qf7 {(Qg6-f5+) 0.00/1 0} Qe2 {-3.06/5 0} 122. Qd5+ {
0.00/1 0} Kb4 {-3.06/9 2} 123. Qb7+ {(Qd5-d6+) 0.00/1 0} Kc5 {-3.12/5 0} 124.
Qc8+ {(Qb7-c7+) 0.00/1 0} Kd4 {-2.68/9 4} 125. Qd7+ {(Qc8-d8+) 0.00/1 0} Kc3 {
-3.16/5 0} 126. Qg7+ {0.00/1 0} Kd3 {-3.25/5 0} 127. Qd7+ {0.00/1 0} Kc4 {
-3.11/5 0} 128. Qc8+ {(Qd7-f7+) 0.00/1 0} Kb3 {-3.12/9 1} 129. Qb7+ {
(Qc8-b8+) 0.00/1 0} Kc2 {-3.09/9 2} 130. Qc6+ {(Qb7-c8+) 0.00/1 0} Kd2 {
-3.03/5 0} 131. Qd5+ {0.00/1 0} Kc3 {-3.04/5 0} 132. Qa5+ {0.00/1 0} Kb3 {
-1.55/9 2} 133. Qb6+ {0.00/1 0} Ka3 {-3.03/5 0} 134. Qa7+ {(Qb6-a5+) 0.00/1 0}
Kb2 {-0.30/9 2} 135. Qb6+ {(Qa7-d4+) 0.00/1 0} Kc1 {-2.95/5 0} 136. Qc5+ {
0.00/1 0} Kd1 {-2.64/8 1} 137. Qd4+ {0.00/1 0} Ke1 {-2.94/5 0} 138. Qc3+ {
(Qd4-a1+) 0.00/1 0} Qd2 {-0.60/9 2} 139. Qa1+ {(Qc3-e5+) 0.00/1 0} Ke2 {
-2.59/5 0} 140. Qe5+ {0.00/1 0} Kd1 {-0.34/8 2} 141. Qa1+ {0.00/1 0} Qc1 {
-0.21/5 0} 142. Qd4+ {0.00/1 0} Ke2 {-0.14/9 1} 143. Qe5+ {(Qd4-g4+) 0.00/1 0}
Kf1 {-3.04/9 3} 144. Qd5 {(Qe5-e4) 0.00/1 0} Qf4+ {-3.10/5 0} 145. Kh3 {
0.00/1 0} Ke2 {-3.16/5 0} 146. Qb5+ {0.00/1 0} Kf3 {-0.07/8 1} 147. Qd3+ {
0.00/1 0} Qe3 {-0.11/3 0} 148. Qf5+ {0.00/1 0} Ke2+ {0.00/9 2} 149. Kg2 {
0.00/1 0} Ke1 {-0.24/5 0} 150. Qb1+ {0.00/1 0} Kd2 {0.00/10 2} 151. Qa2+ {
(Qb1-b2+) 0.00/1 0} Kc3 {0.00/5 0} 152. Qd5 {(Qa2-a3+) 0.00/1 0} f1=Q+ {
0.00/10 1} 153. Kxf1 {0.00/1 0} Kb4 {0.00/10 2} 154. Qc6 {(Qd5-d6+) 0.00/1 0}
Qd2 {-0.14/5 0} 155. Qb7+ {(Qc6-g2) 0.00/1 0} Kc5 {-0.17/5 0} 156. Qa8 {
(Qb7-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qb2 {0.00/9 5} 157. Qe4 {(Qa8-a5+) 0.00/1 0} Kd6 {-0.13/5 0}
158. Qa8 {(Kf1-e1) 0.00/1 0} Ke6 {-0.16/5 0} 159. Qc6+ {(Qa8-e4+) 0.00/1 0} Ke5
{0.00/5 0} 160. Qa8 {(Qc6-c5+) 0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-0.20/5 0} 161. Qc6 {
(Qa8-d5) 0.00/1 0} Qa2 {-0.19/5 0} 162. Qb7 {(Qc6-g6) 0.00/1 0} Qc4+ {-0.10/8 2
} 163. Kg1 {(Kf1-e1) 0.00/1 0} Qc2 {-0.21/5 0} 164. Qa8 {(Qb7-d5) 0.00/1 0} Qd2
{-0.19/8 1} 165. Qb7 {(Qa8-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qe1+ {-0.11/8 2} 166. Kg2 {0.00/1 0}
Qe2+ {-0.20/5 0} 167. Kg1 {(Kg2-h3) 0.00/1 0} Qe5 {-0.07/8 1} 168. Qa8 {
(Kg1-f2) 0.00/1 0} Qe3+ {-0.14/8 2} 169. Kh1 {(Kg1-f1) 0.00/1 0} Qd2 {-0.23/5 0
} 170. Qb7 {(Qa8-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qc2 {-0.17/8 1} 171. Qa8 {(Kh1-g1) 0.00/1 0} Ke5
{-0.28/5 0} 172. Qb7 {(Kh1-g1) 0.00/1 0} Qc4 {-0.08/9 3} 173. Qa8 {
(Qb7-e7+) 0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-0.24/5 0} 174. Qb7 {(Kh1-h2) 0.00/1 0} Qf1+ {
-0.23/5 0} 175. Kh2 {0.00/1 0} Qf2+ {-0.10/9 2} 176. Kh1 {(Qb7-g2) 0.00/1 0}
Qa2 {-0.23/5 0} 177. Qc6 {(Qb7-g2) 0.00/1 0} Ke5 {-0.26/5 0} 178. Qb7 {
(Kh1-g1) 0.00/1 0} Qe6 {-0.06/9 2} 179. Qa8 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-0.25/5 0}
180. Qb7 {(Kh1-h2) 0.00/1 0} Ke3 {-0.18/8 1} 181. Qa8 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qh3+
{-0.24/5 0} 182. Kg1 {0.00/1 0} Qg3+ {-0.13/9 3} 183. Kh1 {(Qa8-g2) 0.00/1 0}
Qg5 {-0.22/5 0} 184. Qb7 {(Kh1-h2) 0.00/1 0} Kf4 {-0.23/5 0} 185. Qa8 {
(Qb7-b4+) 0.00/1 0} Qb5 {-0.14/9 2} 186. Qg2 {(Qa8-f8+) 0.00/1 0} Qd3 {
-0.23/5 0} 187. Qc6 {(Kh1-h2) 0.00/1 0} Qf1+ {-0.21/5 0} 188. Kh2 {0.00/1 0}
Qf2+ {-0.08/9 2} 189. Kh1 {0.00/1 0} Qa2 {-0.23/5 0} 190. Qb7 {
(Qc6-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qa5 {-0.07/9 4} 191. Qc6 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qe1+ {-0.18/5 0
} 192. Kh2 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qg3+ {-0.21/5 0} 193. Kh1 {0.00/1 0} Qb3 {
-0.17/5 0} 194. Qa8 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qb2 {-0.23/5 0} 195. Qc6 {
(Qa8-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qb8 {0.00/8 2} 196. Qd5 {(Qc6-f6+) 0.00/1 0} Qc8 {-0.17/5 0}
197. Qg2 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qa6 {0.00/11 1} 198. Qd5 {(Qg2-f2+) 0.00/1 0} Qg6
{-0.15/5 0} 199. Qb7 {(Qd5-d4+) 0.00/1 0} Qf6 {0.00/13 2} 200. Qa8 {
(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qd6 {0.00/5 0} 201. Qb7 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Qf8 {0.00/15 2}
202. Qc6 {(Kh1-g2) 0.00/1 0} Ke5 {0.00/5 0} 203. Qb7 {Draw accepted 0.00/1 0}
1/2-1/2

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I started to test against Glaurung 121 and here is the comparison of the two latest Movei421 and Movei243.


Athlon, Blitz:2'+1" 0

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1 Glaurung 1.2.1 2720 10011011½½½111½111½11111111½1½1½01½1111101½011011037.0/50
2 Movei00_8_421 2668 01100100½½½000½000½00000000½0½0½10½0000010½100100113.0/50



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Athlon, Blitz:2'+1" 0

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1 Glaurung 1.2.1 2720 11011½½011½1111½011½01½1101½11½1111½½101½010½0½11134.5/50
2 Movei00_8_423 2668 00100½½100½0000½100½10½0010½00½0000½½010½101½1½00015.5/50




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Athlon, Blitz:2'+1" 0

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1

Movei00_8_421 2668 0½½010101½½½110101½0111½1111½½0½½00½½0½½½000½1½½10½110101½0½½½½011110101101101½½½½110100111½11½10½0½1001½110½0½1½00½01½½01010001½11½001½½½1½1½11½10½11 82.5/150
2

Movei00_8_423 2670 1½½101010½½½001010½1000½0000½½1½½11½½1½½½111½0½½01½001010½1½½½½100001010010010½½½½001011000½00½01½1½0110½001½1½0½11½10½½10101110½00½110½½½0½0½00½01½00 67.5/150

[Uri Blass]

Movei certainly knows to do it with tablebases or at longer time control

With tablebases all the engines ,no matter how dumb they are ,know to deliver mate with king and rook!!

May be you didnt notice, without tablebases at longer time control. I have seen Movei mating many times with king and Rook.

I understand that...but it should also do it at blitz games!

2 comments:
1)I disagree that with tablebases even the dumbest engines can win KR vs K because the dumbest engines do not know to use tablebases.

2)I explained the reason for the fact that movei has problems to win with KR vs K.
I can easily correct it when no path depedent evaluation is going to be used and I will probably do it when I use hash for pruning(I can also correct the path dependent evaluation in order to win KR vs K but I do not plan to work on correcting something that I plan not to use after I use hash for pruning).

Uri