There is something wrong with Honey Elo Expert setting

Chessqueen · Post by **Chessqueen** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:22 am

I set up Honey to play at Expert Level, and started with the Clemenz Opening which I know most Engines do not know the best continuation, but there must be something wrong because I beat it to easy.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Clemenz (Mead-Basman-de Klerk-Welling) Opening"]
[Time "20:25:37"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. h3 e5 {(e7-e5 e2-e3 d7-d5) +0.35/4 0} 2. e4 Nf6 {(Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Nf6xe4
Nf3xe5) +0.19/4} 3. Nc3 d5 {(d7-d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3) -0.02/4} 4.
exd5 Nxd5 {(Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3 b2xc3) -0.02/4} 5. Nge2 Bc5 {(Bf8-c5
Nc3xd5 Qd8xd5 d2-d4) +0.61/4} 6. Nxd5 c6 {(c7-c6 d2-d4 e5xd4) -0.41/4} 7.
Ndc3 Bxf2+ {(Bc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Qd8-b6+ d2-d4) -4.34/4} 8. Kxf2 h5 {(h7-h5
Kf2-g1 Qd8-b6+ Kg1-h2) -5.41/4} 9. d4 Rh6 {(Rh8-h6 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 d4xe5
Qd8xd1) -7.51/5 0} 10. Bxh6 Qf6+ {(Qd8-f6+ Kf2-g1 Qf6xh6 Qd1-c1 Qh6xc1)
-6.07/5} 11. Bf4 exf4 {(e5xf4 Qd1-e1 f4-f3 g2xf3 Qf6-h4+ Ne2-g3+ Ke8-d8)
-6.22/5} 12. h4 c5 {(c6-c5 Nc3-d5 Qf6-c6 d4xc5 Qc6xc5+ Qd1-d4) -6.78/5} 13.
dxc5 Qe5 {(Qf6-e5 Qd1-d4 Qe5-e3+ Qd4xe3+ f4xe3+ Kf2-e1) -7.75/5} 14. Qd5
Qf6 {(Qe5-f6 Ra1-e1 a7-a5 Qd5xh5 g7-g6) -8.73/5} 15. Ne4 Qe6 {(Qf6-e6
Ne2xf4 Qe6-c6 Qd5xc6+ Nb8xc6) -10.68/5} 16. Nxf4 Qe7 {(Qe6-e7 Bf1-b5+
Nb8-d7 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-f8) -8.81/5} 17. Re1 Be6 {(Bc8-e6 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-d8 Re1xe6
f7xe6 Nf4xe6+ Kd8-d7) -12.10/5} 18. Nd6+ Kf8 {(Ke8-f8 Re1xe6 Qe7xe6 Nf4xe6+
f7xe6) -15.78/5 0} 19. Rxe6 Qd7 {(Qe7-d7 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Kf8xe8)
-16.24/5} 20. Ng6+ Kg8 {(Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Nb8-a6 Ng6-e7+
Kg8-f8) -17.40/5 0} 21. Ne7+ Kf8 {(Kg8-f8 Ne7-g6+ Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8)
-17.40/5 Black resigns} 22. Rh6 Kxe7 {(Kf8xe7 Qd5xf7+ Ke7-d8) -10.54/5
Black resigns} *[/pgn]

MikeB · Post by **MikeB** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:32 am

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:22 am I set up Honey to play at Expert Level, and started with the Clemenz Opening which I know most Engines do not know the best continuation, but there must be something wrong because I beat it to easy.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Clemenz (Mead-Basman-de Klerk-Welling) Opening"]
[Time "20:25:37"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. h3 e5 {(e7-e5 e2-e3 d7-d5) +0.35/4 0} 2. e4 Nf6 {(Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Nf6xe4
Nf3xe5) +0.19/4} 3. Nc3 d5 {(d7-d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3) -0.02/4} 4.
exd5 Nxd5 {(Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3 b2xc3) -0.02/4} 5. Nge2 Bc5 {(Bf8-c5
Nc3xd5 Qd8xd5 d2-d4) +0.61/4} 6. Nxd5 c6 {(c7-c6 d2-d4 e5xd4) -0.41/4} 7.
Ndc3 Bxf2+ {(Bc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Qd8-b6+ d2-d4) -4.34/4} 8. Kxf2 h5 {(h7-h5
Kf2-g1 Qd8-b6+ Kg1-h2) -5.41/4} 9. d4 Rh6 {(Rh8-h6 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 d4xe5
Qd8xd1) -7.51/5 0} 10. Bxh6 Qf6+ {(Qd8-f6+ Kf2-g1 Qf6xh6 Qd1-c1 Qh6xc1)
-6.07/5} 11. Bf4 exf4 {(e5xf4 Qd1-e1 f4-f3 g2xf3 Qf6-h4+ Ne2-g3+ Ke8-d8)
-6.22/5} 12. h4 c5 {(c6-c5 Nc3-d5 Qf6-c6 d4xc5 Qc6xc5+ Qd1-d4) -6.78/5} 13.
dxc5 Qe5 {(Qf6-e5 Qd1-d4 Qe5-e3+ Qd4xe3+ f4xe3+ Kf2-e1) -7.75/5} 14. Qd5
Qf6 {(Qe5-f6 Ra1-e1 a7-a5 Qd5xh5 g7-g6) -8.73/5} 15. Ne4 Qe6 {(Qf6-e6
Ne2xf4 Qe6-c6 Qd5xc6+ Nb8xc6) -10.68/5} 16. Nxf4 Qe7 {(Qe6-e7 Bf1-b5+
Nb8-d7 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-f8) -8.81/5} 17. Re1 Be6 {(Bc8-e6 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-d8 Re1xe6
f7xe6 Nf4xe6+ Kd8-d7) -12.10/5} 18. Nd6+ Kf8 {(Ke8-f8 Re1xe6 Qe7xe6 Nf4xe6+
f7xe6) -15.78/5 0} 19. Rxe6 Qd7 {(Qe7-d7 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Kf8xe8)
-16.24/5} 20. Ng6+ Kg8 {(Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Nb8-a6 Ng6-e7+
Kg8-f8) -17.40/5 0} 21. Ne7+ Kf8 {(Kg8-f8 Ne7-g6+ Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8)
-17.40/5 Black resigns} 22. Rh6 Kxe7 {(Kf8xe7 Qd5xf7+ Ke7-d8) -10.54/5
Black resigns} *[/pgn]

The predefined levels have been weakened by design over time - internally just use them as a ladder , if one level is too weak , play at highe level. They have variability built-in. This was done by design to make the weakest levels more beatable by weak players. Othersie weak playrrs may not win or draw a game. My grandchildren , who have just learned chess, can play the weakest levels to a draw, I am not changing it, just play at the level right for you if Expert is too easy. Try a game at search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3. ;>)

Chessqueen · Post by **Chessqueen** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:02 am

MikeB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:32 am
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:22 am I set up Honey to play at Expert Level, and started with the Clemenz Opening which I know most Engines do not know the best continuation, but there must be something wrong because I beat it to easy.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Clemenz (Mead-Basman-de Klerk-Welling) Opening"]
[Time "20:25:37"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. h3 e5 {(e7-e5 e2-e3 d7-d5) +0.35/4 0} 2. e4 Nf6 {(Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Nf6xe4
Nf3xe5) +0.19/4} 3. Nc3 d5 {(d7-d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3) -0.02/4} 4.
exd5 Nxd5 {(Nf6xd5 Ng1-f3 Nd5xc3 b2xc3) -0.02/4} 5. Nge2 Bc5 {(Bf8-c5
Nc3xd5 Qd8xd5 d2-d4) +0.61/4} 6. Nxd5 c6 {(c7-c6 d2-d4 e5xd4) -0.41/4} 7.
Ndc3 Bxf2+ {(Bc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Qd8-b6+ d2-d4) -4.34/4} 8. Kxf2 h5 {(h7-h5
Kf2-g1 Qd8-b6+ Kg1-h2) -5.41/4} 9. d4 Rh6 {(Rh8-h6 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 d4xe5
Qd8xd1) -7.51/5 0} 10. Bxh6 Qf6+ {(Qd8-f6+ Kf2-g1 Qf6xh6 Qd1-c1 Qh6xc1)
-6.07/5} 11. Bf4 exf4 {(e5xf4 Qd1-e1 f4-f3 g2xf3 Qf6-h4+ Ne2-g3+ Ke8-d8)
-6.22/5} 12. h4 c5 {(c6-c5 Nc3-d5 Qf6-c6 d4xc5 Qc6xc5+ Qd1-d4) -6.78/5} 13.
dxc5 Qe5 {(Qf6-e5 Qd1-d4 Qe5-e3+ Qd4xe3+ f4xe3+ Kf2-e1) -7.75/5} 14. Qd5
Qf6 {(Qe5-f6 Ra1-e1 a7-a5 Qd5xh5 g7-g6) -8.73/5} 15. Ne4 Qe6 {(Qf6-e6
Ne2xf4 Qe6-c6 Qd5xc6+ Nb8xc6) -10.68/5} 16. Nxf4 Qe7 {(Qe6-e7 Bf1-b5+
Nb8-d7 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-f8) -8.81/5} 17. Re1 Be6 {(Bc8-e6 Ne4-d6+ Ke8-d8 Re1xe6
f7xe6 Nf4xe6+ Kd8-d7) -12.10/5} 18. Nd6+ Kf8 {(Ke8-f8 Re1xe6 Qe7xe6 Nf4xe6+
f7xe6) -15.78/5 0} 19. Rxe6 Qd7 {(Qe7-d7 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Kf8xe8)
-16.24/5} 20. Ng6+ Kg8 {(Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8 Nd6xe8 Nb8-a6 Ng6-e7+
Kg8-f8) -17.40/5 0} 21. Ne7+ Kf8 {(Kg8-f8 Ne7-g6+ Kf8-g8 Re6-e8+ Qd7xe8)
-17.40/5 Black resigns} 22. Rh6 Kxe7 {(Kf8xe7 Qd5xf7+ Ke7-d8) -10.54/5
Black resigns} *[/pgn]
The predefined levels have been weakened by design over time - internally just use them as a ladder , if one level is too weak , play at highe level. They have variability built-in. This was done by design to make the weakest levels more beatable by weak players. Othersie weak playrrs may not win or draw a game. My grandchildren , who have just learned chess, can play the weakest levels to a draw, I am not changing it, just play at the level right for you if Expert is too easy. Try a game at search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3. ;>)

I lost the 2nd game

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Opening "Clemenz (Mead-Basman-de Klerk-Welling) Opening"]
[Time "21:25:10"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "130"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. h3 e5 2. e4 Nc6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bc4 Nxe4 6. Nxe4 d5 7. a3 Be7
8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. d3 Qd7 10. O-O O-O 11. Nc3 a5 12. Qe2 f6 13. Qe4 Qe6 14.
Re1 Rd8 15. Nb5 Qd7 16. Qc4+ Kh8 17. Re4 b6 18. Be3 Ba6 19. Qb3 Bb7 20.
Nxc7 Qxc7 21. Bxb6 Qd7 22. Bxd8 Nxd8 23. Rg4 a4 24. Qc3 Ne6 25. Qe1 Bxf3
26. gxf3 f5 27. Rc4 Bf6 28. Qe3 h6 29. h4 Rg8 30. Kg2 Kh7 31. Rh1 Rb8 32.
Rb1 Nd4 33. Qe1 Qf7 34. Qd1 Qg6+ 35. Kf1 Ne6 36. Rxa4 Nf4 37. Rxf4 exf4 38.
Qc1 Be5 39. c3 Qh5 40. d4 Bd6 41. Qc2 Qxf3 42. Qxf5+ Kh8 43. Kg1 Re8 44. h5
Re2 45. Rf1 Qb7 46. b4 Re8 47. Qg6 Qd7 48. Qg2 f3 49. Qxf3 Rf8 50. Qg2 Rf4
51. Qa8+ Kh7 52. f3 Qh3 53. Kf2 Rf8 54. Qe4+ Kh8 55. Rg1 Qh2+ 56. Kf1 Qxh5
57. Rg4 Re8 58. Qc6 Qh1+ 59. Rg1 Qh3+ 60. Rg2 Qe6 61. Rf2 Qh3+ 62. Rg2 Qe6
63. Rf2 Qe1+ 64. Kg2 Re6 65. Qc8+ Kh7 {User Resign} 0-1[/pgn]

Chessqueen · Post by **Chessqueen** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:26 pm

I did not wanted to leave the score even so I played another game with the recommended settings by Mike B search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "ChessQuuen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "D50"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "08:07:35"]
[Variation "Dutch-Peruvian, Prins Variation"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 Nc6 7. Qa4 exd5
8. O-O-O Bd7 9. Qb3 d4 10. Ne4 Rc8 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Kb1 Bf5 13. f3 Bg6 14.
Qxb7 Be7 15. h4 O-O 16. h5 Rb8 17. Qxc6 Rxb2+ 18. Kxb2 Bxe4 19. Qxe4 Qb6+
20. Ka1 Re8 21. Nh3 f5 22. Qd3 Rb8 23. Rb1 Qxb1+ 24. Qxb1 Rxb1+ 25. Kxb1
Ba3 26. Nf2 a6 27. Rh4 a5 28. Nd3 a4 29. Rxd4 Kf8 30. Rxa4 Be7 31. Rf4 Ba3
32. Rxf5 Kg8 33. e4 Kh8 34. Ra5 Bd6 35. h6 Kg8 {Black resigns} 36. Ra8+ Bf8
{Black resigns} *[/pgn]

MikeB · Post by **MikeB** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:19 pm

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:26 pm I did not wanted to leave the score even so I played another game with the recommended settings by Mike B search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "ChessQuuen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "D50"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "08:07:35"]
[Variation "Dutch-Peruvian, Prins Variation"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 Nc6 7. Qa4 exd5
8. O-O-O Bd7 9. Qb3 d4 10. Ne4 Rc8 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Kb1 Bf5 13. f3 Bg6 14.
Qxb7 Be7 15. h4 O-O 16. h5 Rb8 17. Qxc6 Rxb2+ 18. Kxb2 Bxe4 19. Qxe4 Qb6+
20. Ka1 Re8 21. Nh3 f5 22. Qd3 Rb8 23. Rb1 Qxb1+ 24. Qxb1 Rxb1+ 25. Kxb1
Ba3 26. Nf2 a6 27. Rh4 a5 28. Nd3 a4 29. Rxd4 Kf8 30. Rxa4 Be7 31. Rf4 Ba3
32. Rxf5 Kg8 33. e4 Kh8 34. Ra5 Bd6 35. h6 Kg8 {Black resigns} 36. Ra8+ Bf8
{Black resigns} *[/pgn]

You do know that you are playing the engine in a weakened condition. If you post a screenshot of your settings, i can help you fix that.

Chessqueen · Post by **Chessqueen** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:32 pm

MikeB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:19 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:26 pm I did not wanted to leave the score even so I played another game with the recommended settings by Mike B search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "ChessQuuen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "D50"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "08:07:35"]
[Variation "Dutch-Peruvian, Prins Variation"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 Nc6 7. Qa4 exd5
8. O-O-O Bd7 9. Qb3 d4 10. Ne4 Rc8 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Kb1 Bf5 13. f3 Bg6 14.
Qxb7 Be7 15. h4 O-O 16. h5 Rb8 17. Qxc6 Rxb2+ 18. Kxb2 Bxe4 19. Qxe4 Qb6+
20. Ka1 Re8 21. Nh3 f5 22. Qd3 Rb8 23. Rb1 Qxb1+ 24. Qxb1 Rxb1+ 25. Kxb1
Ba3 26. Nf2 a6 27. Rh4 a5 28. Nd3 a4 29. Rxd4 Kf8 30. Rxa4 Be7 31. Rf4 Ba3
32. Rxf5 Kg8 33. e4 Kh8 34. Ra5 Bd6 35. h6 Kg8 {Black resigns} 36. Ra8+ Bf8
{Black resigns} *[/pgn]
You do know that you are playing the engine in a weakened condition. If you post a screenshot of your settings, i can help you fix that.

I do NOT know how to get a screenshot, I decided to play against the Master Level and I gave it a good fight

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "4"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2250"]
[ECO "B54"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "12:03:17"]
[Variation "Open, 2...d6, 4...Nf6"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "134"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Bb5+ Bd7 6. Nc3 Bxb5 7. Ndxb5
a6 8. Nd4 g6 9. Bg5 Nbd7 10. Nb3 Bg7 11. Qd4 h6 12. Bd2 O-O 13. f3 Rc8 14.
Qb4 b5 15. Na5 d5 16. exd5 Ne5 17. Nb7 Qd7 18. Nc5 Qd6 19. N3e4 Qxd5 20.
Bc3 a5 21. Qxa5 Nc4 22. Qa7 Nxe4 23. Nxe4 Bxc3+ 24. bxc3 f5 25. Qxe7 fxe4
26. Rd1 Qf7 27. Qxf7+ Rxf7 28. fxe4 Ra8 29. Ke2 Rxa2 30. Rd8+ Kg7 31. Rc1
h5 32. Rd5 Rb2 33. h3 h4 34. Rd4 Rf6 35. Rd7+ Kh6 36. Rd4 Re6 37. Kd3 Rf6
38. Ke2 g5 39. Rd8 Kg7 40. Rd5 Kg6 41. Rc5 Rf4 42. Rc6+ Kh5 43. Re6 Rf8 44.
Re7 Kg6 45. Re6+ Kh5 46. Re7 Ra2 47. Rb7 Nd6 48. Re7 Ra4 49. e5 Nf5 50.
Rh7+ Kg6 51. Rd7 Re4+ 52. Kd2 Ne3 53. Kd3 Rxe5 54. Re1 Rd5+ 55. Rxd5 Nxd5
56. Re6+ Kh5 57. Re5 Nf4+ 58. Kd2 Nxg2 59. Kc1 Nf4 60. Rxb5 Nxh3 61. Kd2
Nf2 62. Ke2 h3 63. Rb7 Kh4 64. c4 h2 65. Rb1 g4 66. Rb7 Nh3 67. Rh7+ Kg3
{White resigns} 0-1[/pgn]

Chessqueen · Post by **Chessqueen** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:18 pm

MikeB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:19 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:26 pm I did not wanted to leave the score even so I played another game with the recommended settings by Mike B search depth 7 with variety off and tactical set to 3.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "ChessQuuen"]
[Black "Honey-v14-x86-64-bmi2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "D50"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Time "08:07:35"]
[Variation "Dutch-Peruvian, Prins Variation"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 Nc6 7. Qa4 exd5
8. O-O-O Bd7 9. Qb3 d4 10. Ne4 Rc8 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Kb1 Bf5 13. f3 Bg6 14.
Qxb7 Be7 15. h4 O-O 16. h5 Rb8 17. Qxc6 Rxb2+ 18. Kxb2 Bxe4 19. Qxe4 Qb6+
20. Ka1 Re8 21. Nh3 f5 22. Qd3 Rb8 23. Rb1 Qxb1+ 24. Qxb1 Rxb1+ 25. Kxb1
Ba3 26. Nf2 a6 27. Rh4 a5 28. Nd3 a4 29. Rxd4 Kf8 30. Rxa4 Be7 31. Rf4 Ba3
32. Rxf5 Kg8 33. e4 Kh8 34. Ra5 Bd6 35. h6 Kg8 {Black resigns} 36. Ra8+ Bf8
{Black resigns} *[/pgn]
You do know that you are playing the engine in a weakened condition. If you post a screenshot of your settings, i can help you fix that.

Other members of this forum should play games at different level like Class B, Class C, to see how well those level are tuned up with Honey

[img]file:///C:/Users/Administrator/Pictures/Honey.png[/img]

scchess · Post by **scchess** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:42 am

Didn't Stockfish already provide well defined strength level support? What's difference between Honey to it?

purechess · Post by **purechess** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:55 am

scchess wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:42 am Didn't Stockfish already provide well defined strength level support? What's difference between Honey to it?

Stockfish doesn't has an adaptive mode , doesn't cut nodes to search if played at a limited ELO rating, doesn't has a UCI setting for fixed search depth for example or doesn't support Polybook books.

Rowen · Post by **Rowen** » Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:16 am

scchess wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:42 am Didn't Stockfish already provide well defined strength level support? What's difference between Honey to it?

I think that the stockfish 'skill level' setting parameter works by calculating normally and then selecting an inferior move (using MultiPV mode) whereas
the Honey reduced elo / engine levels weaken the engine by restricting nodes searches (node count).

Nodes can also be reduced using stockfish and I think Honey still has the skill level setting ?(I dont have the latest versions) but Honey also has other options compared to stockfish and so seems to be more useful as a 'sparing partner'.

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