Very nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
Stockfish : 28.6%
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
I am not very familiar with contempt settings, stockfish indeed has no such setting but likely it has some default setting in the source code. How do we get them equal?lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pmVery nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
Stockfish had a UCI option for Contempt but did away with it in SF14, though I don't know their reasons or whether they have a nonzero value set in the code. The Komodo Dragon value of 8 is much lower than what SF formerly used, but obviously higher than zero. If someone can verify that it does use zero in the code now, then you could lower the Dragon value from 8 to 0 to be equivalent, but that's a very minor change, hardly worth the bother. It might lower our winning percentage by one point or less, I would estimate.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:16 pmI am not very familiar with contempt settings, stockfish indeed has no such setting but likely it has some default setting in the source code. How do we get them equal?lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pmVery nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
Stockfish : 28.6%
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The contempt value of Stockfish 13 is set to 24 on the configuration, I do NOT know if it is set to 24 in the code, either if by setting it to 8 will help stockfish 13 to be as strong as Komodo Dragon2 giving KInight, and Rook Odds.lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 pmStockfish had a UCI option for Contempt but did away with it in SF14, though I don't know their reasons or whether they have a nonzero value set in the code. The Komodo Dragon value of 8 is much lower than what SF formerly used, but obviously higher than zero. If someone can verify that it does use zero in the code now, then you could lower the Dragon value from 8 to 0 to be equivalent, but that's a very minor change, hardly worth the bother. It might lower our winning percentage by one point or less, I would estimate.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:16 pmI am not very familiar with contempt settings, stockfish indeed has no such setting but likely it has some default setting in the source code. How do we get them equal?lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pmVery nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
My guess is that Stockfish13 with the biggest possible contempt is going to get a clearly better result than Stockfish14.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:05 pmThe contempt value of Stockfish 13 is set to 24 on the configuration, I do NOT know if it is set to 24 in the code, either if by setting it to 8 will help stockfish 13 to be as strong as Komodo Dragon2 giving KInight, and Rook Odds.lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 pmStockfish had a UCI option for Contempt but did away with it in SF14, though I don't know their reasons or whether they have a nonzero value set in the code. The Komodo Dragon value of 8 is much lower than what SF formerly used, but obviously higher than zero. If someone can verify that it does use zero in the code now, then you could lower the Dragon value from 8 to 0 to be equivalent, but that's a very minor change, hardly worth the bother. It might lower our winning percentage by one point or less, I would estimate.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:16 pmI am not very familiar with contempt settings, stockfish indeed has no such setting but likely it has some default setting in the source code. How do we get them equal?lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pmVery nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
Komodo-Dragon-2
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
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Probably so, but then Komodo Dragon2 should also be tested with Contempt 24 to be fair.Uri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:17 pmMy guess is that Stockfish13 with the biggest possible contempt is going to get a clearly better result than Stockfish14.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:05 pmThe contempt value of Stockfish 13 is set to 24 on the configuration, I do NOT know if it is set to 24 in the code, either if by setting it to 8 will help stockfish 13 to be as strong as Komodo Dragon2 giving KInight, and Rook Odds.lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 pmStockfish had a UCI option for Contempt but did away with it in SF14, though I don't know their reasons or whether they have a nonzero value set in the code. The Komodo Dragon value of 8 is much lower than what SF formerly used, but obviously higher than zero. If someone can verify that it does use zero in the code now, then you could lower the Dragon value from 8 to 0 to be equivalent, but that's a very minor change, hardly worth the bother. It might lower our winning percentage by one point or less, I would estimate.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:16 pmI am not very familiar with contempt settings, stockfish indeed has no such setting but likely it has some default setting in the source code. How do we get them equal?lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:35 pmVery nice! I assume since you don't say otherwise that you are using default Contempt for Komodo Dragon 2, which is just a nominal 8. I certainly can't complain about the results, but we would do even better with Contempt set to 100 or so. If this is accurate, then the lack on Contempt in Stockfish is no excuse for the poor relative performance, since Komodo's value is too low to add more than a percentage point or so to the results.Rebel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:47 pm Knight odds matches
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Knight odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +344 =90 -266 *0 389.0 700 55.6% 2 k2 099 +44 =14 -42 *0 51.0 100 51.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +44 =11 -45 *0 49.5 100 49.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +40 =15 -45 *0 47.5 100 47.5% 5 Velvet 1.2.0 +40 =13 -47 *0 46.5 100 46.5% 6 Dumb 1.8 +38 =14 -48 *0 45.0 100 45.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +36 =13 -51 *0 42.5 100 42.5% 8 Fruit 2.1 +24 =10 -66 *0 29.0 100 29.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 344 (49.1%) Black Wins: 266 (38.0%) Draws: 90 (12.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2757.5 51.0 100 51 2 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2750.5 389.0 700 56 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2747.0 49.5 100 50 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2732.9 47.5 100 48 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2725.9 46.5 100 47 6 Dumb 1.8 : 2715.3 45.0 100 45 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2697.5 42.5 100 43 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2593.5 29.0 100 29
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Knight odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +175 =50 -475 *0 200.0 700 28.6% 2 ProDeo 2.2 +73 =11 -16 *0 78.5 100 78.5% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +71 =10 -19 *0 76.0 100 76.0% 4 Dumb 1.8 +73 =5 -22 *0 75.5 100 75.5% 5 k2 099 +72 =6 -22 *0 75.0 100 75.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +67 =8 -25 *0 71.0 100 71.0% 7 Fruit 2.1 +61 =7 -32 *0 64.5 100 64.5% 8 Zahak 5.0 +58 =3 -39 *0 59.5 100 59.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 175 (25.0%) Black Wins: 475 (67.9%) Draws: 50 (7.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 ProDeo 2.2 : 2798.5 78.5 100 79 2 Benjamin 1.0 : 2773.5 76.0 100 76 3 Dumb 1.8 : 2768.8 75.5 100 76 4 k2 099 : 2764.1 75.0 100 75 5 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2728.5 71.0 100 71 6 Fruit 2.1 : 2676.2 64.5 100 65 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2639.0 59.5 100 60 8 Stockfish 14 : 2571.5 200.0 700 29
Stockfish : 28.6%
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
Hey Larry, don't know where to ask you this general question, but is Dragon also better against weaker opponents when compared to other engines that use MCTS (namely Leela)? I know how much you love MCTS.
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
BISHOP odds matches
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BISHOP odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines
Time Control : Time control : 40/40
Games : 700
Results from file all.pgn:
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1 Stockfish 14 +88 =27 -585 *0 101.5 700 14.5%
2 Benjamin 1.0 +88 =4 -8 *0 90.0 100 90.0%
3 Dumb 1.8 +85 =6 -9 *0 88.0 100 88.0%
4 Velvet 1.2.0 +85 =5 -10 *0 87.5 100 87.5%
5 Fruit 2.1 +83 =4 -13 *0 85.0 100 85.0%
6 ProDeo 2.2 +84 =2 -14 *0 85.0 100 85.0%
7 Zahak 5.0 +84 =1 -15 *0 84.5 100 84.5%
8 k2 099 +76 =5 -19 *0 78.5 100 78.5%
Total Games: 700
White Wins: 88 (12.6%)
Black Wins: 585 (83.6%)
Draws: 27 (3.9%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Benjamin 1.0 : 2824.1 90.0 100 90
2 Dumb 1.8 : 2788.2 88.0 100 88
3 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2780.1 87.5 100 88
4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2743.1 85.0 100 85
5 Fruit 2.1 : 2743.1 85.0 100 85
6 Zahak 5.0 : 2736.3 84.5 100 85
7 k2 099 : 2666.0 78.5 100 79
8 Stockfish 14 : 2439.1 101.5 700 15
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BISHOP odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines
Time Control : Time control : 40/40
Games : 700
Results from file all.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
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1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +284 =92 -324 *0 330.0 700 47.1%
2 k2 099 +53 =16 -31 *0 61.0 100 61.0%
3 Benjamin 1.0 +51 =15 -34 *0 58.5 100 58.5%
4 ProDeo 2.2 +54 =9 -37 *0 58.5 100 58.5%
5 Dumb 1.8 +43 =20 -37 *0 53.0 100 53.0%
6 Velvet 1.2.0 +48 =10 -42 *0 53.0 100 53.0%
7 Zahak 5.0 +41 =10 -49 *0 46.0 100 46.0%
8 Fruit 2.1 +34 =12 -54 *0 40.0 100 40.0%
Total Games: 700
White Wins: 284 (40.6%)
Black Wins: 324 (46.3%)
Draws: 92 (13.1%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 k2 099 : 2775.7 61.0 100 61
2 ProDeo 2.2 : 2757.5 58.5 100 59
3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2757.5 58.5 100 59
4 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2718.3 53.0 100 53
5 Dumb 1.8 : 2718.3 53.0 100 53
6 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2697.3 330.0 700 47
7 Zahak 5.0 : 2669.2 46.0 100 46
8 Fruit 2.1 : 2626.2 40.0 100 40
Stockfish : 14.5%
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
So bishops are indeed worth more than knights (at least when bishop pair is broken for the side losing the bishop), no surprise there. But it is interesting that Stockfish lost much more than Komodo from this, SF score was nearly cut in half going from knight odds to bishop odds! Regarding rook odds, it is roughly a class (200 elo) larger handicap than knight odds, so a field in the 2500 to 2530 range for opponents might be more balanced, but anyway it will be interesting.Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:07 am BISHOP odds matches
Stockfish 14
Komodo-Dragon-2Code: Select all
BISHOP odds match Stockfish 14 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +88 =27 -585 *0 101.5 700 14.5% 2 Benjamin 1.0 +88 =4 -8 *0 90.0 100 90.0% 3 Dumb 1.8 +85 =6 -9 *0 88.0 100 88.0% 4 Velvet 1.2.0 +85 =5 -10 *0 87.5 100 87.5% 5 Fruit 2.1 +83 =4 -13 *0 85.0 100 85.0% 6 ProDeo 2.2 +84 =2 -14 *0 85.0 100 85.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +84 =1 -15 *0 84.5 100 84.5% 8 k2 099 +76 =5 -19 *0 78.5 100 78.5% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 88 (12.6%) Black Wins: 585 (83.6%) Draws: 27 (3.9%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 Benjamin 1.0 : 2824.1 90.0 100 90 2 Dumb 1.8 : 2788.2 88.0 100 88 3 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2780.1 87.5 100 88 4 ProDeo 2.2 : 2743.1 85.0 100 85 5 Fruit 2.1 : 2743.1 85.0 100 85 6 Zahak 5.0 : 2736.3 84.5 100 85 7 k2 099 : 2666.0 78.5 100 79 8 Stockfish 14 : 2439.1 101.5 700 15
Komodo : 47.1%Code: Select all
BISHOP odds match Komodo-Dragon-2 vs a pool of 2700-2730 elo rated engines Time Control : Time control : 40/40 Games : 700 Results from file all.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % ------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Komodo-Dragon 2 +284 =92 -324 *0 330.0 700 47.1% 2 k2 099 +53 =16 -31 *0 61.0 100 61.0% 3 Benjamin 1.0 +51 =15 -34 *0 58.5 100 58.5% 4 ProDeo 2.2 +54 =9 -37 *0 58.5 100 58.5% 5 Dumb 1.8 +43 =20 -37 *0 53.0 100 53.0% 6 Velvet 1.2.0 +48 =10 -42 *0 53.0 100 53.0% 7 Zahak 5.0 +41 =10 -49 *0 46.0 100 46.0% 8 Fruit 2.1 +34 =12 -54 *0 40.0 100 40.0% Total Games: 700 White Wins: 284 (40.6%) Black Wins: 324 (46.3%) Draws: 92 (13.1%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 2715 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 k2 099 : 2775.7 61.0 100 61 2 ProDeo 2.2 : 2757.5 58.5 100 59 3 Benjamin 1.0 : 2757.5 58.5 100 59 4 Velvet 1.2.0 : 2718.3 53.0 100 53 5 Dumb 1.8 : 2718.3 53.0 100 53 6 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 2697.3 330.0 700 47 7 Zahak 5.0 : 2669.2 46.0 100 46 8 Fruit 2.1 : 2626.2 40.0 100 40
Stockfish : 14.5%
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Re: Komodo-Dragon-2 vs Stockfish 14 at knight odss
At the moment I am doing queen odds, just to be complete.lkaufman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:43 am So bishops are indeed worth more than knights (at least when bishop pair is broken for the side losing the bishop), no surprise there. But it is interesting that Stockfish lost much more than Komodo from this, SF score was nearly cut in half going from knight odds to bishop odds! Regarding rook odds, it is roughly a class (200 elo) larger handicap than knight odds, so a field in the 2500 to 2530 range for opponents might be more balanced, but anyway it will be interesting.
The rook epd is not good, see:
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rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/3p4/3nP3/3P4/8/PPP2PPP/1NBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 4; v=-526
r1bqkb1r/pppnpppp/3p1n2/8/2PP4/2N5/PP2PPPP/2BQKBNR w KQkq - 2 4; v=-529
rnbqk1nr/ppp1ppbp/3p2p1/8/3PP3/5N2/PPP2PPP/1NBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-536
r1bqkb1r/ppp1pppp/2n2n2/3p4/2PP4/4P3/PP3PPP/1NBQKBNR w KQkq - 1 4; v=-538
Does somebody has a good rook odds epd of (at least) 100 positions?
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