Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

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Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

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[pgn][Event "Rook Odds"]
[Date "2021.09.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Snowy_0_2_x64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "1998"]
[Time "13:23:00"]
[WhiteElo "3590"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bb5 a6 5. Be2 d5 6. b3 Bd6 7. Bb2 O-O 8.
O-O b5 9. Nbd2 Rb8 10. Ne5 Qe8 11. a3 a5 12. Qc1 Bd7 13. Bd3 a4 14. b4 Ne7
15. Qd1 Ng6 16. f3 Bc6 17. Qe1 Be7 18. Qg3 Rc8 19. Rb1 Nxe5 20. dxe5 Nd7
21. f4 f5 22. Nf3 Nb6 23. Nd4 Bd7 24. Bc3 Rf7 25. h3 Nc4 26. Bxc4 dxc4 27.
Ne2 c5 28. bxc5 Bxc5 29. Bb4 c3 30. Kh2 Qf8 31. Qe1 Bxb4 32. Rxb4 Qc5 33.
Nd4 Qd5 34. Qf1 Rc5 35. Rb1 g5 36. Rd1 Qa2 37. Qf3 gxf4 38. exf4 Qxa3 39.
Nxe6 Bxe6 40. Qg3+ Rg7 41. Rd8+ Kf7 42. Qh4 Rxe5 43. fxe5 Qe7 44. Qh5+ Rg6
45. Qxh7+ Rg7 46. Qh5 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

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This was a very good result for Stockfish14, to be able to hold Snowy rated 1998 to a draw with a Rook Odds, for a long time I thought that Stockfish was not able to give a Rood Odds to any engine rated above 1950 :roll:
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:45 am [pgn][Event "Rook Odds"]
[Date "2021.09.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Snowy_0_2_x64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "1998"]
[Time "13:23:00"]
[WhiteElo "3590"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bb5 a6 5. Be2 d5 6. b3 Bd6 7. Bb2 O-O 8.
O-O b5 9. Nbd2 Rb8 10. Ne5 Qe8 11. a3 a5 12. Qc1 Bd7 13. Bd3 a4 14. b4 Ne7
15. Qd1 Ng6 16. f3 Bc6 17. Qe1 Be7 18. Qg3 Rc8 19. Rb1 Nxe5 20. dxe5 Nd7
21. f4 f5 22. Nf3 Nb6 23. Nd4 Bd7 24. Bc3 Rf7 25. h3 Nc4 26. Bxc4 dxc4 27.
Ne2 c5 28. bxc5 Bxc5 29. Bb4 c3 30. Kh2 Qf8 31. Qe1 Bxb4 32. Rxb4 Qc5 33.
Nd4 Qd5 34. Qf1 Rc5 35. Rb1 g5 36. Rd1 Qa2 37. Qf3 gxf4 38. exf4 Qxa3 39.
Nxe6 Bxe6 40. Qg3+ Rg7 41. Rd8+ Kf7 42. Qh4 Rxe5 43. fxe5 Qe7 44. Qh5+ Rg6
45. Qxh7+ Rg7 46. Qh5 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

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If you play 10 of those games, I'm pretty sure SF will win more than it draws.
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Re: Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

Post by Uri Blass »

Latest Stockfish is very weak in odd games based on my experience and the main question is if some engine can give stockfish a queen odd without losing.
When Wasp gives stockfish queen odds it always lost in my games but often got some attack against stockfish's king

See the following example.

Stockfish basically is a stupid engine that has no idea how to make progress in the first moves and it leads me to suspect that some engine may make some fortress against it and draw or maybe even win if stockfish blunder and allow attack against the king that is strong enough.

I played this game with a single core for every engine and 2048 mbytes hash for every engine(no tablebases).

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.09.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wasp450-x64-modern"]
[Black "stockfish_21091708_x64_avx2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[GameDuration "00:16:25"]
[GameEndTime "2021-09-21T05:17:53.188 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-09-21T05:01:27.569 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[PlyCount "154"]
[SetUp "1"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]

1. Nf3 {-11.67/23 12s} g6 {+12.61/32 14s} 2. e4 {-11.40/24 12s}
e6 {+12.53/29 3.9s} 3. d4 {-11.17/22 12s} Bg7 {+12.53/33 8.6s}
4. Nc3 {-11.05/22 12s} Ne7 {+12.53/26 6.3s} 5. h4 {-11.12/23 12s}
h5 {+12.53/29 3.5s} 6. Bg5 {-11.09/22 12s} d6 {+12.53/27 11s}
7. O-O-O {-11.00/22 12s} c6 {+12.48/28 3.7s} 8. e5 {-11.12/21 12s}
d5 {+12.40/29 8.9s} 9. Kb1 {-10.98/21 12s} Nd7 {+12.38/31 36s}
10. Bd3 {-11.37/21 12s} Qb6 {+12.40/27 13s} 11. Ne2 {-11.20/24 12s}
c5 {+12.53/29 9.4s} 12. c3 {-10.98/25 8.5s} cxd4 {+12.53/27 3.9s}
13. cxd4 {-11.17/23 8.3s} Nc6 {+12.61/28 5.5s} 14. a3 {-10.52/22 11s}
O-O {+12.46/28 11s} 15. Be3 {-10.79/22 11s} Qb3 {+11.56/28 80s}
16. Nc3 {-10.19/25 7.7s} Na5 {+11.86/28 14s} 17. Nd2 {-10.41/26 10s}
Qb6 {+11.87/26 6.1s} 18. f4 {-10.52/22 9.8s} a6 {+12.61/27 5.4s}
19. Be2 {-10.65/20 9.5s} Nc6 {+12.69/23 4.2s} 20. g4 {-9.88/24 6.9s}
hxg4 {+12.30/29 12s} 21. Bxg4 {-9.92/25 6.8s} Re8 {+11.88/31 69s}
22. h5 {-10.09/24 8.9s} g5 {+11.76/27 19s} 23. Nf3 {-9.46/23 6.5s}
gxf4 {+12.15/21 2.5s} 24. Bxf4 {-9.19/24 6.3s} Bf8 {+12.11/22 2.5s}
25. h6 {-9.40/23 8.3s} Bxa3 {+11.95/22 3.4s} 26. Rd2 {-8.56/23 8.1s}
Ne7 {+10.84/25 16s} 27. h7+ {-7.49/24 7.9s} Kh8 {+10.84/20 0.46s}
28. Bh5 {-7.15/26 5.8s} Ng6 {+7.91/19 2.9s} 29. Bxg6 {-7.16/25 5.7s}
fxg6 {+8.07/22 2.0s} 30. Nh4 {-6.89/25 5.6s} Nf8 {+5.51/25 8.5s}
31. Bg5 {-7.15/25 7.3s} Nxh7 {+5.76/24 1.2s} 32. Nxg6+ {-6.09/25 5.4s}
Kg8 {+6.16/25 1.6s} 33. Bh6 {-6.31/26 5.3s} Rf8 {+6.02/23 0.81s}
34. Nxf8 {-6.36/25 5.2s} Nxf8 {+5.87/24 1.4s} 35. Rf1 {-6.53/26 5.1s}
Ng6 {+6.10/23 1.2s} 36. Rf6 {-5.75/26 6.8s} Nh4 {+6.23/23 1.4s}
37. Bg5 {-6.34/26 4.9s} Be7 {+6.23/24 1.5s} 38. Nxd5 {-6.98/27 4.9s}
exd5 {+6.16/24 2.8s} 39. Rxb6 {-7.08/26 4.8s} Bxg5 {+6.26/25 2.2s}
40. Rd1 {-7.22/25 6.3s} Kf7 {+6.42/23 2.7s} 41. Rf1+ {-6.64/23 6.2s}
Nf5 {+6.46/21 1.8s} 42. Ka2 {-6.98/24 6.1s} Be7 {+6.61/21 2.1s}
43. Rh6 {-6.36/23 6.0s} Be6 {+6.95/22 2.0s} 44. Rh7+ {-6.76/24 4.3s}
Kg8 {+7.38/23 2.2s} 45. Rh3 {-7.14/23 5.7s} Rf8 {+7.38/25 2.5s}
46. Rb3 {-7.23/24 5.6s} b5 {+7.61/23 2.2s} 47. Rd3 {-7.68/22 5.5s}
a5 {+7.96/23 2.5s} 48. Rf4 {-7.78/21 5.4s} Kf7 {+8.49/24 2.4s}
49. Rh3 {-8.41/24 5.3s} Ke8 {+8.74/22 2.3s} 50. Rc3 {-9.00/24 5.2s}
Kd7 {+8.92/24 2.6s} 51. Rd3 {-9.64/25 4.2s} b4 {+9.39/26 6.1s}
52. b3 {-10.37/25 5.0s} Rg8 {+9.50/23 1.8s} 53. Rdf3 {-11.40/25 3.7s}
Ng3 {+10.14/26 2.7s} 54. Rf2 {-12.86/26 5.1s} Ne4 {+10.30/24 2.8s}
55. Rh2 {-14.71/26 6.4s} Nc3+ {+10.61/24 5.2s} 56. Kb2 {-15.62/26 3.5s}
Rg1 {+10.73/23 2.8s} 57. Rf3 {-15.92/25 4.6s} Nb5 {+10.81/24 3.1s}
58. Rff2 {-12.60/23 3.4s} Bg5 {+11.67/26 2.4s} 59. Rfg2 {-17.00/24 4.5s}
Bc1+ {+14.29/25 2.4s} 60. Ka1 {-17.94/25 3.3s} Re1 {+15.75/24 3.2s}
61. Rg7+ {-18.58/23 3.3s} Kc6 {+17.07/22 2.3s} 62. Rc2+ {-21.02/27 5.5s}
Kb6 {+19.87/23 2.8s} 63. Rxc1 {-18.77/25 3.8s} Rxc1+ {+22.58/25 2.2s}
64. Kb2 {-48.51/25 11s} Rh1 {+56.52/28 2.8s} 65. Kc2 {-36.53/22 3.2s}
Rh3 {+59.00/28 2.4s} 66. Kd2 {-35.75/24 9.2s} Nxd4 {+63.95/31 2.5s}
67. Ke1 {-46.09/22 7.7s} Rxb3 {+71.23/34 2.6s} 68. Rg6 {-M26/18 3.6s}
Rb2 {+M23/41 2.4s} 69. Rg3 {-M24/19 2.3s} a4 {+M21/46 3.1s}
70. Rd3 {-M18/17 0.53s} Kc5 {+M15/57 3.8s} 71. Rd2 {-M16/15 0.036s}
Nf3+ {+M13/68 2.5s} 72. Kf2 {-M14/13 0.011s} Nxd2 {+M11/89 2.5s}
73. Ke2 {-M12/11 0.011s} Ne4+ {+M9/182 2.5s} 74. Kd1 {-M10/9 0.012s}
a3 {+M7/245 0.30s} 75. Kc1 {-M8/7 0.012s} Rh2 {+M5/245 0.006s}
76. Kb1 {-M6/5 0.012s} b3 {+M3/245 0.005s} 77. Ka1 {-M4/3 0.012s}
Rh1# {+M1/245 0.004s, Black mates} 0-1
[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

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CMCanavessi wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:09 pm If you play 10 of those games, I'm pretty sure SF will win more than it draws.
I did played 20 games against Goldfish and Stockfish14 won by 2 games at 1 seconds per move. I decided to switch to a stronger opponent for Stockfish14 since with a Rook odds I thought that GoldFish was the perfect opponent rated 2050
381‑382 Goldfish 1.13.0 64-bit 2050 +20 −20 49.9% +2.4 27.0% 870

[pgn][Event "Rook Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Goldfish.v1.13.0.64bit (1)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2050"]
[Time "00:20:03"]
[WhiteElo "3600"]
[TimeControl "0+1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 d4 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. Nf3 Bf5 5. d3 Na5 6. e6 fxe6 7. Na3 Nf6 8.
O-O Nxc4 9. Nxc4 b5 10. Nce5 Qd5 11. h3 h5 12. Bf4 h4 13. c4 dxc3 14. bxc3
Qxa2 15. Nd4 Nd5 16. Qf3 Rd8 17. c4 bxc4 18. dxc4 Qa4 19. Nxf5 Nxf4 20.
Qxf4 exf5 21. Qxf5 Rd6 22. Rb1 Qd1+ 23. Rxd1 Rxd1+ 24. Kh2 Rd2 25. c5 e6
26. Qxe6+ Be7 27. Ng6 Kd8 28. Nxe7 c6 29. Nxc6+ Kc7 30. Nxa7 Kb7 31. Qb6+
Ka8 32. Nb5 Rd7 33. c6 Rh6 34. c7 Rxb6 35. c8=Q+ Rb8 36. Qa6+ Ra7 37. Qxa7#
1-0[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish14 can draw Rook odds Vs 1998 Engine

Post by CMCanavessi »

Can you try the same with Stockfish 11 or 12?
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