5 nm CPU question
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
Nothing
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Magnum
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
See MacBook Pro M1 and M1X.
They are great.
They are great.
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
That next year's CPU would be faster and/or consume less energy than last year's CPU. Business as usual with computers.
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Leo
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
It will combine with a 128 GB DDR5 Ram stick. It will cache positions faster. I am looking forward to it.
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Thomas Lagershausen
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
It will be a slow pc for the poor.
People like Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana have fast server machines.
People like Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana have fast server machines.
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
Can't agree with you on this.Thomas Lagershausen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:29 pm It will be a slow pc for the poor.
People like Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana have fast server machines.
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yurikvelo
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Re: 5 nm CPU question
5 nm AMD CPU is Zen4.
In server segment (Opteron, "Milan" series) it brings whopping 96-cores /192 threads per socket.
DDR4-3200 will be replaced by DDR5-5200 (+62% throughput per channel)
Server segment will have 12 memory channels, with 128 Gb sticks it is 3 Tb RAM possible.
In HEDT segment, 5 nm and Zen4 is not expected soon.
New Threadrippers 5xxx (codename Chagall) will update to Zen 3 (from current Zen 2) and will have same core count, TDP limit and litography as current Threadrippers 3xxx
Home/desktop Ryzen 6xxx series (expected late 2022) are rumored to have 24C/48T, but likely it will not be available immediately. Probably much later. Immediatly available Ryzens will have 16C/32T (same as current 5xxx series)
Zen 4 is expected to have +25% IPC
All this is not big leap from currently available Ryzens, rather minor and inevitable progress.
Intel uses different litography and different naming (from TSMC and Samsung). Its roadmap doens't have 5 nm node in near future.
In 2023 Intel plan to switch to "Intel 4", architecture formally known as Intel’s 7nm process. It will compete with 5 nm AMD/TSMC Zen 4
TSMC 5 nm node feature 171.30 million transistors per mm²
Intel4 on 7 nm feature a transistor density of about 200-250 million transistors per mm²
Currently produced Intel 10 nm chips are named Intel-7 (to compete TSMC 7 nm), and future 7nm from Intel have codename Intel-4 to compete TSMC 4 nm
80% of world CPU production is done outside TSMC/Samsung and 80% world CPU production (including top chess hardware, including TCEC hardware) will not be produced on 5 nm node, as Intel doesn't have it in roadmap.
In server segment (Opteron, "Milan" series) it brings whopping 96-cores /192 threads per socket.
DDR4-3200 will be replaced by DDR5-5200 (+62% throughput per channel)
Server segment will have 12 memory channels, with 128 Gb sticks it is 3 Tb RAM possible.
In HEDT segment, 5 nm and Zen4 is not expected soon.
New Threadrippers 5xxx (codename Chagall) will update to Zen 3 (from current Zen 2) and will have same core count, TDP limit and litography as current Threadrippers 3xxx
Home/desktop Ryzen 6xxx series (expected late 2022) are rumored to have 24C/48T, but likely it will not be available immediately. Probably much later. Immediatly available Ryzens will have 16C/32T (same as current 5xxx series)
Zen 4 is expected to have +25% IPC
All this is not big leap from currently available Ryzens, rather minor and inevitable progress.
Intel uses different litography and different naming (from TSMC and Samsung). Its roadmap doens't have 5 nm node in near future.
In 2023 Intel plan to switch to "Intel 4", architecture formally known as Intel’s 7nm process. It will compete with 5 nm AMD/TSMC Zen 4
TSMC 5 nm node feature 171.30 million transistors per mm²
Intel4 on 7 nm feature a transistor density of about 200-250 million transistors per mm²
Currently produced Intel 10 nm chips are named Intel-7 (to compete TSMC 7 nm), and future 7nm from Intel have codename Intel-4 to compete TSMC 4 nm
80% of world CPU production is done outside TSMC/Samsung and 80% world CPU production (including top chess hardware, including TCEC hardware) will not be produced on 5 nm node, as Intel doesn't have it in roadmap.