Yes, that is exactly what I've been thinking of for a new chess960 engine tournament, or even a new ratings list.lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:10 am I doubt that any of the 960 positions is actually won for White, but I'll bet that the 100 most unbalanced ones would produce a pretty decent share of wins even with the two best engines playing at long time controls on big hardware. So maybe for engine play (or correspondence), we'll have "Chess100" (or some other number in that ballpark). Is there a list somewhere of all 960 positions evaluated by a strong engine (I seem to recall seeing one once)?
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So the questions to be decided would be: 1. How many of the most unbalanced FRC positions should be included? 2. What engine or engines make the determination of which are the most unbalanced positions, and how much time/how many threads do they get for this purpose?Modern Times wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:20 amYes, that is exactly what I've been thinking of for a new chess960 engine tournament, or even a new ratings list.lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:10 am I doubt that any of the 960 positions is actually won for White, but I'll bet that the 100 most unbalanced ones would produce a pretty decent share of wins even with the two best engines playing at long time controls on big hardware. So maybe for engine play (or correspondence), we'll have "Chess100" (or some other number in that ballpark). Is there a list somewhere of all 960 positions evaluated by a strong engine (I seem to recall seeing one once)?
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Is there a way to automate that process, or would it have had to be dome manually ?CMCanavessi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:18 am
There's something here: https://www.chess.com/article/view/what ... 0-position
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All good questions, and it depends on if the process could be automated. In terms of engines, I'd use Stockfish and Komodo I guess. It would take about a week to analyse all 960 positions for 5 mins, two runs with different engines, and you'd use as many cores as the machine has. But I have no available hardware myself at the moment so the idea is on the back-burner. All I could do is set up and test some sort of automated method if it exists, on my laptop ready for when I have access to my desktops again.lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:47 pm
So the questions to be decided would be: 1. How many of the most unbalanced FRC positions should be included? 2. What engine or engines make the determination of which are the most unbalanced positions, and how much time/how many threads do they get for this purpose?
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If you do create an automated way to do this, I can run it overnight every night on my 5 Ghz 10 core laptop until complete; maybe 3 min would be ample on that hardware. If it's for a rating list, I suppose you have in mind a relatively long TC, since there's no need to minimize draws in bullet chess.Modern Times wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:26 pmAll good questions, and it depends on if the process could be automated. In terms of engines, I'd use Stockfish and Komodo I guess. It would take about a week to analyse all 960 positions for 5 mins, two runs wit h different engines, and you'd use as many cores as the machine has. But I have no available hardware myself at the moment so the idea is on the back-burner. All I could do is set up and test some sort of automated method if it exists, on my laptop ready for when I have access to my desktops again.lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:47 pm
So the questions to be decided would be: 1. How many of the most unbalanced FRC positions should be included? 2. What engine or engines make the determination of which are the most unbalanced positions, and how much time/how many threads do they get for this purpose?
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