Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Giving either Knight odds, Rook Odds, or even Queen Odds Komodo Dragon2 is better than Stockfish, but giving only one pawn odds it is hard to tell

[pgn][Event "Pawn Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo51r2-64bit"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "3580"]
[Time "19:39:36"]
[WhiteElo "3100"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "151"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 b5 6. Bf1 Nxd5 7. Bxb5 Bb7
8. Qh5 Qc7 9. Nc3 Nf4 10. Qg4 g6 11. O-O h5 12. Qh4 a6 13. Ba4 O-O-O 14. d3
Nd4 15. Bxf4 exf4 16. Bb3 Qc6 17. Qh3+ Kb8 18. Nxf7 Be7 19. Nxd8 Rxd8 20.
Rae1 Bc8 21. Qxc8+ Qxc8 22. Rxe7 f3 23. Re4 fxg2 24. Kxg2 Qf5 25. f3 Rd7
26. Kh1 Qc5 27. Ree1 Re7 28. Ne4 Qc7 29. c3 Nf5 30. Bd1 Qf4 31. Rg1 g5 32.
Be2 Rg7 33. Rg2 h4 34. a4 Qe3 35. Rgg1 Qf4 36. b4 Ne3 37. b5 a5 38. c4 Nc2
39. Ref1 Qe3 40. Rf2 Nd4 41. Bd1 Qxd3 42. Nd6 Ne6 43. Ne4 Qe3 44. Rff1 g4
45. Re1 Qf4 46. Rxg4 Rxg4 47. fxg4 Qe5 48. Bf3 Ng5 49. Kg2 h3+ 50. Kf2
Qxh2+ 51. Ke3 Nxf3 52. Kxf3 Qg2+ 53. Ke3 h2 54. Nf2 Qg3+ 55. Ke2 Qb3 56.
Rh1 Qxa4 57. Rxh2 Qxc4+ 58. Ke3 Qc1+ 59. Kf3 Qc3+ 60. Kg2 a4 61. Ne4 Qd3
62. Rh8+ Ka7 63. Rh7+ Kb6 64. Rh6+ Kxb5 65. Rh5+ Kb4 66. Nf2 Qd4 67. Rh3 a3
68. Rd3 Qa7 69. Rd1 a2 70. Ra1 Qd4 71. Rxa2 Qd5+ 72. Ne4 Qxa2+ 73. Kg3 Kc4
74. Kf4 Kd4 75. Nf6 Qa5 76. g5 {White resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Giving either Knight odds, Rook Odds, or even Queen Odds Komodo Dragon2 is better than Stockfish, but giving only one pawn odds it is hard to tell
[pgn][Event "Pawn Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo51r2-64bit"]
[Black "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3580"]
[Time "20:45:20"]
[WhiteElo "3100"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "389"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. O-O Nxe4 7. cxd4 d5
8. dxc5 dxc4 9. Qxd8+ Kxd8 10. Rd1+ Bd7 11. Nbd2 Nxc5 12. Nxc4 Ke7 13. b3
b6 14. Ba3 Be6 15. Nb2 Rhd8 16. Rdc1 Nb8 17. Bxc5+ bxc5 18. Rxc5 Na6 19.
Rh5 h6 20. Rh4 Kf8 21. Ra4 Nc5 22. Rd4 a5 23. Rad1 Rdb8 24. Rc1 Bxb3 25.
Rxc5 Bxa2 26. Nd3 a4 27. Nb4 Be6 28. Rc1 a3 29. Ne5 Rb5 30. Nec6 a2 31. Ra1
Rb6 32. f4 f6 33. h4 Bf7 34. f5 h5 35. Kf2 Kg8 36. Kf3 Kh7 37. Ke3 Rb5 38.
Re4 Rxf5 39. Nd4 Ra3+ 40. Kd2 Rf2+ 41. Re2 Rf4 42. Nbc2 Ra4 43. Nf3 Rfc4
44. Kd1 Ra7 45. Nfd4 Rb7 46. Kc1 Rd7 47. Rd2 Rc5 48. g3 Rd8 49. Rd1 Rdc8
50. Rd3 Rc4 51. Kb2 Bg6 52. Rd2 Rb8+ 53. Kc1 Ra4 54. Rd1 Ra7 55. Re1 Rc8
56. Re3 Rc4 57. Re2 Ra3 58. Rg2 Rd3 59. Kb2 Bf7 60. Re1 Rdxd4 61. Nxd4 Rxd4
62. Rf2 Kg6 63. Rc2 Bd5 64. Rc7 Rd2+ 65. Ka1 Rg2 66. Rc5 Bg8 67. Rc8 Kh7
68. Rc3 f5 69. Rf3 Kg6 70. Ra3 Bf7 71. Ra6+ Kh7 72. Ra7 Bg8 73. Ra5 g6 74.
Ra7+ Kh6 75. Ra8 Kg7 76. Ra7+ Kh6 77. Ra3 Bd5 78. Rd1 Bg8 79. Rh1 Bd5 80.
Rc1 Kg7 81. Rd1 Bf7 82. Rc1 Be6 83. Rf1 Rc2 84. Rg1 Rd2 85. Re1 Rd6 86. Ra8
Rb6 87. Ra7+ Kf6 88. Ra5 Rc6 89. Rf1 Rc2 90. Ra6 Re2 91. Rd1 Re3 92. Rg1 g5
93. hxg5+ Kxg5 94. Ra7 Rd3 95. Re1 Rd6 96. Rb7 Kg6 97. Rb5 Kg7 98. Ra5 Rb6
99. Ra8 Kg6 100. Re8 Bd5 101. Rd1 Bf7 102. Ra8 Bb3 103. Rdd8 Be6 104. Rab8
Rc6 105. Rd1 Rc2 106. Re1 Bd5 107. Rd8 Bf7 108. Ra8 Kf6 109. Ra6+ Kg5 110.
Ra7 Bb3 111. Ra3 Bc4 112. Ra7 Rg2 113. Rg7+ Kf6 114. Rc7 Bd5 115. Rc5 Rd2
116. Rc8 Bf7 117. Rf1 Be6 118. Ra8 Kg5 119. Ra7 Rd6 120. Re1 Rb6 121. Rh7
Kg6 122. Re7 Bd5 123. R7e5 Bg8 124. Rc5 Kg5 125. Rc8 Bd5 126. Rd8 Rb5 127.
Rd1 Bf7 128. R8d6 Kg4 129. Rd7 Bb3 130. R1d3 Be6 131. R7d4+ Kg5 132. Rd1
Rb3 133. Re1 Bf7 134. Rg1 Re3 135. Ra4 Bd5 136. Ra5 Rd3 137. Ra6 Kg4 138.
Rg6+ Kh3 139. Rg5 Kh2 140. Rc1 Kh3 141. Rxf5 Kxg3 142. Rxh5 Kg4 143. Rh2
Kf4 144. Re1 Kg3 145. Rb2 Kf4 146. Rb4+ Kf5 147. Rb8 Kg5 148. Rf8 Rd4 149.
Rg1+ Rg4 150. Rd1 Bb3 151. Rdf1 Kg6 152. R8f3 Bd5 153. Rf6+ Kh5 154. Rd1
Bb3 155. Rh1+ Kg5 156. Rb6 Bc4 157. Re1 Rd4 158. Rb4 Rg4 159. Rc1 Be6 160.
Rb5+ Kg6 161. Re1 Bc4 162. Ra5 Bb3 163. Ra3 Bc4 164. Ra7 Bd5 165. Rd1 Bb3
166. Rf1 Be6 167. Ra6 Re4 168. Ra3 Kg5 169. Ra5+ Kg6 170. Ra6 Kg5 171. Rg1+
Kf5 172. Ra5+ Kf6 173. Rc1 Re3 174. Rf1+ Ke7 175. Ra7+ Kd6 176. Rd1+ Ke5
177. Ra5+ Kf6 178. Rc5 Rf3 179. Rb5 Rf2 180. Re1 Rf5 181. Rb8 Bd5 182. Rb6+
Kg5 183. Ra6 Rf2 184. Ra5 Rf5 185. Rd1 Be6 186. Rxf5+ Kxf5 187. Rf1+ Kg4
188. Rf8 Kg3 189. Rf6 Bd5 190. Rd6 Bf7 191. Ra6 Bc4 192. Ra4 Be6 193. Re4
Bd5 194. Re5 Bc4 195. Rc5 {User Adjudication} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:30 am Giving either Knight odds, Rook Odds, or even Queen Odds Komodo Dragon2 is better than Stockfish, but giving only one pawn odds it is hard to tell
[pgn][Event "Pawn Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo51r2-64bit"]
[Black "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3580"]
[Time "20:45:20"]
[WhiteElo "3100"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "389"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. O-O Nxe4 7. cxd4 d5
8. dxc5 dxc4 9. Qxd8+ Kxd8 10. Rd1+ Bd7 11. Nbd2 Nxc5 12. Nxc4 Ke7 13. b3
b6 14. Ba3 Be6 15. Nb2 Rhd8 16. Rdc1 Nb8 17. Bxc5+ bxc5 18. Rxc5 Na6 19.
Rh5 h6 20. Rh4 Kf8 21. Ra4 Nc5 22. Rd4 a5 23. Rad1 Rdb8 24. Rc1 Bxb3 25.
Rxc5 Bxa2 26. Nd3 a4 27. Nb4 Be6 28. Rc1 a3 29. Ne5 Rb5 30. Nec6 a2 31. Ra1
Rb6 32. f4 f6 33. h4 Bf7 34. f5 h5 35. Kf2 Kg8 36. Kf3 Kh7 37. Ke3 Rb5 38.
Re4 Rxf5 39. Nd4 Ra3+ 40. Kd2 Rf2+ 41. Re2 Rf4 42. Nbc2 Ra4 43. Nf3 Rfc4
44. Kd1 Ra7 45. Nfd4 Rb7 46. Kc1 Rd7 47. Rd2 Rc5 48. g3 Rd8 49. Rd1 Rdc8
50. Rd3 Rc4 51. Kb2 Bg6 52. Rd2 Rb8+ 53. Kc1 Ra4 54. Rd1 Ra7 55. Re1 Rc8
56. Re3 Rc4 57. Re2 Ra3 58. Rg2 Rd3 59. Kb2 Bf7 60. Re1 Rdxd4 61. Nxd4 Rxd4
62. Rf2 Kg6 63. Rc2 Bd5 64. Rc7 Rd2+ 65. Ka1 Rg2 66. Rc5 Bg8 67. Rc8 Kh7
68. Rc3 f5 69. Rf3 Kg6 70. Ra3 Bf7 71. Ra6+ Kh7 72. Ra7 Bg8 73. Ra5 g6 74.
Ra7+ Kh6 75. Ra8 Kg7 76. Ra7+ Kh6 77. Ra3 Bd5 78. Rd1 Bg8 79. Rh1 Bd5 80.
Rc1 Kg7 81. Rd1 Bf7 82. Rc1 Be6 83. Rf1 Rc2 84. Rg1 Rd2 85. Re1 Rd6 86. Ra8
Rb6 87. Ra7+ Kf6 88. Ra5 Rc6 89. Rf1 Rc2 90. Ra6 Re2 91. Rd1 Re3 92. Rg1 g5
93. hxg5+ Kxg5 94. Ra7 Rd3 95. Re1 Rd6 96. Rb7 Kg6 97. Rb5 Kg7 98. Ra5 Rb6
99. Ra8 Kg6 100. Re8 Bd5 101. Rd1 Bf7 102. Ra8 Bb3 103. Rdd8 Be6 104. Rab8
Rc6 105. Rd1 Rc2 106. Re1 Bd5 107. Rd8 Bf7 108. Ra8 Kf6 109. Ra6+ Kg5 110.
Ra7 Bb3 111. Ra3 Bc4 112. Ra7 Rg2 113. Rg7+ Kf6 114. Rc7 Bd5 115. Rc5 Rd2
116. Rc8 Bf7 117. Rf1 Be6 118. Ra8 Kg5 119. Ra7 Rd6 120. Re1 Rb6 121. Rh7
Kg6 122. Re7 Bd5 123. R7e5 Bg8 124. Rc5 Kg5 125. Rc8 Bd5 126. Rd8 Rb5 127.
Rd1 Bf7 128. R8d6 Kg4 129. Rd7 Bb3 130. R1d3 Be6 131. R7d4+ Kg5 132. Rd1
Rb3 133. Re1 Bf7 134. Rg1 Re3 135. Ra4 Bd5 136. Ra5 Rd3 137. Ra6 Kg4 138.
Rg6+ Kh3 139. Rg5 Kh2 140. Rc1 Kh3 141. Rxf5 Kxg3 142. Rxh5 Kg4 143. Rh2
Kf4 144. Re1 Kg3 145. Rb2 Kf4 146. Rb4+ Kf5 147. Rb8 Kg5 148. Rf8 Rd4 149.
Rg1+ Rg4 150. Rd1 Bb3 151. Rdf1 Kg6 152. R8f3 Bd5 153. Rf6+ Kh5 154. Rd1
Bb3 155. Rh1+ Kg5 156. Rb6 Bc4 157. Re1 Rd4 158. Rb4 Rg4 159. Rc1 Be6 160.
Rb5+ Kg6 161. Re1 Bc4 162. Ra5 Bb3 163. Ra3 Bc4 164. Ra7 Bd5 165. Rd1 Bb3
166. Rf1 Be6 167. Ra6 Re4 168. Ra3 Kg5 169. Ra5+ Kg6 170. Ra6 Kg5 171. Rg1+
Kf5 172. Ra5+ Kf6 173. Rc1 Re3 174. Rf1+ Ke7 175. Ra7+ Kd6 176. Rd1+ Ke5
177. Ra5+ Kf6 178. Rc5 Rf3 179. Rb5 Rf2 180. Re1 Rf5 181. Rb8 Bd5 182. Rb6+
Kg5 183. Ra6 Rf2 184. Ra5 Rf5 185. Rd1 Be6 186. Rxf5+ Kxf5 187. Rf1+ Kg4
188. Rf8 Kg3 189. Rf6 Bd5 190. Rd6 Bf7 191. Ra6 Bc4 192. Ra4 Be6 193. Re4
Bd5 194. Re5 Bc4 195. Rc5 {User Adjudication} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
That's not surprising. Down only a pawn you can just play normal chess, confident that you will at least draw against a much weaker opponent even in the endgame and perhaps win. But when the handicap gets up to a piece, playing just for the best "score" will just lose the game, you need to avoid even trades while still playing actively, not an easy task. I'm convinced that using too much time and/or too many threads will actually decrease your chances when giving knight odds or more (beyond some reasonable point) with a standard alpha/beta engine, though this is not true of MCTS. Stockfish still beats Komodo Dragon in a match because it searches somewhat deeper on average, but this extra depth is totally useless (probably harmful) when giving knight odds or more to a vastly weaker opponent. With too much depth everything looks hopeless down a piece and you just basically give up.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Here is a match with Rook Odds Stockfish Vs Snowy_0_2_x64 rated 1999 by CCRL, therefore Stockfish playing with a Rook Odds is rated no more than 1950. Next Snowy will play Vs Dragon2 with same Rook Odds. After Dragon2 play vs Snowy, I will play versus Stockfish and Versus Dragon2 with the same Rook Odds at TC 15'+10", which me luck against Dragon2, I will set the contempt to 150 :roll:

[pgn][Event "Rook Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Snowy_0_2_x64"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "1999"]
[Time "06:46:57"]
[WhiteElo "3575"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "61"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 c6 4. Bg2 Qa5+ 5. Nc3 Ne4 6. Bd2 Nxc3 7. Bxc3
Qxa2 8. O-O Bf5 9. Qd2 e6 10. Nh4 Bg6 11. Nxg6 hxg6 12. h4 Nd7 13. e4 dxe4
14. Bxe4 Nf6 15. Bf3 a5 16. b3 Bb4 17. Bxb4 axb4 18. Qxb4 Qxc2 19. Qxb7 O-O
20. Qxc6 Qxb3 21. Qxa8 Rxa8 22. Bxa8 Qd3 23. Re1 Ng4 24. Bg2 Qxd4 25. Re2
Qd1+ 26. Bf1 Nh2 27. Kxh2 Qxf1 28. Ra2 f5 29. f4 Kh7 30. Rg2 Kh6 31. Rg1
{White resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Now We know for certain that Komodo Dragon2 is much better at giving odds, at Least it did NOT get Checkmated like Stockfish did with a Rook Odds, it clearly tell me that Dragon2 is at least rated 1999 CCRL giving Rook Odds. There is no 3,4,5 men tablebases nor Opening Book since Dragon2 is giving Rook Odds. So there you go if you are rated between 1950 to 2050 give Dragon2 a good challenge at Rook Odds. Well I finally found my challenger :mrgreen:

[pgn][Event "Rook odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Snowy_0_2_x64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[Time "08:03:27"]
[WhiteElo "3580"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "149"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. b3 Nc6 3. Bb2 d5 4. d4 Bf5 5. a3 e6 6. e3 Bd6 7. c4 O-O 8.
Nbd2 Be7 9. Be2 dxc4 10. Nxc4 Ne4 11. O-O Rc8 12. Re1 Qd5 13. Ncd2 b5 14.
h3 Rcd8 15. Qa1 a6 16. Bd1 b4 17. Nc4 a5 18. Be2 Rfe8 19. Rc1 h5 20. Rf1 h4
21. Rd1 Bg6 22. Rc1 Rb8 23. a4 Bf5 24. Rf1 Bf6 25. Rc1 Rbd8 26. Ncd2 Ne7
27. Nxe4 Bxe4 28. Rc5 Qa8 29. Qf1 Bc6 30. Bd1 Nf5 31. Qd3 Be7 32. Rc1 Qb7
33. Qf1 Nd6 34. Ne5 Bd5 35. Bc2 Bf6 36. Ng4 Bg5 37. Ne5 Rf8 38. Kh2 Nf5 39.
Bd1 f6 40. Ng4 Nd6 41. f4 f5 42. Ne5 Bf6 43. Nd3 Qa6 44. Be2 Qa8 45. Nc5
Rf7 46. Bh5 g6 47. Bf3 Re7 48. Qf2 Bxf3 49. gxf3 Kh7 50. d5 Bxb2 51. Qxh4+
Kg8 52. Qxe7 Re8 53. Qg5 Qxd5 54. Qxg6+ Kf8 55. Rc2 Bc3 56. Qh6+ Ke7 57.
Qg5+ Bf6 58. Qg2 Rd8 59. Na6 Ne8 60. e4 Qxb3 61. e5 Bg7 62. Nc5 Qd5 63.
Qg5+ Kf7 64. Qh5+ Kg8 65. Qh4 Rb8 66. Qe7 b3 67. Rg2 Qxf3 68. Nxe6 Qxg2+
69. Kxg2 b2 70. Ng5 b1=Q 71. Qf7+ Kh8 72. Qh5+ Kg8 73. Qf7+ Kh8 74. Qh5+
Kg8 75. Qf7+ {3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Bikjump is rated 2221 by CCRL so we know that Dragon2 is at least 2221 CCRL giving Knight Odds, next I will find out vs Stockfish at Knight Odds

[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2221"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3570"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. g3 Be7 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. e4 d5 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Qg4 Kf8 7. c3 c5 8.
O-O Nc6 9. Be3 Qb6 10. b3 h6 11. Qd1 Kg8 12. a3 Qc7 13. Nd2 Rh7 14. Nf3 b5
15. Qe2 c4 16. b4 a5 17. h4 Ra6 18. Nh2 Qa7 19. Qb2 Bb7 20. Rfb1 Bd8 21. a4
axb4 22. axb5 Rxa1 23. Rxa1 bxc3 24. Qxc3 Na5 25. Bd2 g5 26. hxg5 hxg5 27.
Qe3 Bc8 28. Ng4 Rh5 29. Bf3 Bb6 30. Bc3 Kh8 31. Nf6 Nxf6 32. exf6 Rh7 33.
Bd1 g4 34. Bc2 Rh5 35. Kg2 Kg8 36. Rh1 Rxh1 37. Qg5+ Kf8 38. Kxh1 Nb3 39.
Bb4+ Ke8 40. Qg8+ Kd7 41. Qxf7+ Kd8 42. Qxa7 Bxa7 43. f7 Kc7 44. f8=Q Kb6
45. Qxc8 Kxb5 46. Bc3 Na5 47. Bg6 Ka4 48. Qa6 Kb3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:30 pm Bikjump is rated 2221 by CCRL so we know that Dragon2 is at least 2221 CCRL giving Knight Odds, next I will find out vs Stockfish at Knight Odds

[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2221"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3570"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. g3 Be7 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. e4 d5 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Qg4 Kf8 7. c3 c5 8.
O-O Nc6 9. Be3 Qb6 10. b3 h6 11. Qd1 Kg8 12. a3 Qc7 13. Nd2 Rh7 14. Nf3 b5
15. Qe2 c4 16. b4 a5 17. h4 Ra6 18. Nh2 Qa7 19. Qb2 Bb7 20. Rfb1 Bd8 21. a4
axb4 22. axb5 Rxa1 23. Rxa1 bxc3 24. Qxc3 Na5 25. Bd2 g5 26. hxg5 hxg5 27.
Qe3 Bc8 28. Ng4 Rh5 29. Bf3 Bb6 30. Bc3 Kh8 31. Nf6 Nxf6 32. exf6 Rh7 33.
Bd1 g4 34. Bc2 Rh5 35. Kg2 Kg8 36. Rh1 Rxh1 37. Qg5+ Kf8 38. Kxh1 Nb3 39.
Bb4+ Ke8 40. Qg8+ Kd7 41. Qxf7+ Kd8 42. Qxa7 Bxa7 43. f7 Kc7 44. f8=Q Kb6
45. Qxc8 Kxb5 46. Bc3 Na5 47. Bg6 Ka4 48. Qa6 Kb3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
You should always state how many threads were used, and for Dragon whether it was MCTS or not. If you are not using MCTS, I actually think you'll get better results in these handicap games using only one thread rather than many; with MCTS using many threads does help.
Komodo rules!
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Chessqueen
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:30 pm Bikjump is rated 2221 by CCRL so we know that Dragon2 is at least 2221 CCRL giving Knight Odds, next I will find out vs Stockfish at Knight Odds

[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2221"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3570"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. g3 Be7 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. e4 d5 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Qg4 Kf8 7. c3 c5 8.
O-O Nc6 9. Be3 Qb6 10. b3 h6 11. Qd1 Kg8 12. a3 Qc7 13. Nd2 Rh7 14. Nf3 b5
15. Qe2 c4 16. b4 a5 17. h4 Ra6 18. Nh2 Qa7 19. Qb2 Bb7 20. Rfb1 Bd8 21. a4
axb4 22. axb5 Rxa1 23. Rxa1 bxc3 24. Qxc3 Na5 25. Bd2 g5 26. hxg5 hxg5 27.
Qe3 Bc8 28. Ng4 Rh5 29. Bf3 Bb6 30. Bc3 Kh8 31. Nf6 Nxf6 32. exf6 Rh7 33.
Bd1 g4 34. Bc2 Rh5 35. Kg2 Kg8 36. Rh1 Rxh1 37. Qg5+ Kf8 38. Kxh1 Nb3 39.
Bb4+ Ke8 40. Qg8+ Kd7 41. Qxf7+ Kd8 42. Qxa7 Bxa7 43. f7 Kc7 44. f8=Q Kb6
45. Qxc8 Kxb5 46. Bc3 Na5 47. Bg6 Ka4 48. Qa6 Kb3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
You should always state how many threads were used, and for Dragon whether it was MCTS or not. If you are not using MCTS, I actually think you'll get better results in these handicap games using only one thread rather than many; with MCTS using many threads does help.
I am only using 4 cores since that is the Maximun that my intel i7 has 3.40 Ghz for both Dragon and Stockfish, yes I am using MCTS, and contempt = 125 for Dragon2. I noticed that Bikjump used a horrible opening moving the Knight several times and losing several tempos, and ended up having the Knight on a6 the edge of the board for several moves giving Stockfish a great advantage in the opening.
[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2221"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3590"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb4 4. d4 c5 5. d5 g6 6. a3 N4a6 7. Bf4 Bg7 8.
Nc3 O-O 9. Qd2 f6 10. h4 fxe5 11. Be3 d6 12. h5 gxh5 13. Bd3 Nd7 14. Rxh5
Nf6 15. Rh4 Nc7 16. Qc2 h5 17. O-O-O Bd7 18. Rdh1 Qc8 19. Rxh5 Nxh5 20.
Bh7+ Kh8 21. Rxh5 Rf6 22. Ne4 Be8 23. Rh2 Qd8 24. Qd1 b5 25. Qh1 Rf7 26.
Ng5 Bh6 27. Rxh6 e6 28. Rg6 Rg7 29. Bg8+ Kxg8 30. Qh7+ Kf8 {Black resigns}[/pgn]
Who is 17 years old GM Gukesh 2nd at the Candidate in Toronto?
https://indianexpress.com/article/sport ... t-9281394/
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Chessqueen
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:07 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:30 pm Bikjump is rated 2121 by CCRL so we know that Dragon2 is at least 2121 CCRL giving Knight Odds, next I will find out vs Stockfish at Knight Odds

[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Dragon-2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2121"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3570"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 e6 2. g3 Be7 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. e4 d5 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Qg4 Kf8 7. c3 c5 8.
O-O Nc6 9. Be3 Qb6 10. b3 h6 11. Qd1 Kg8 12. a3 Qc7 13. Nd2 Rh7 14. Nf3 b5
15. Qe2 c4 16. b4 a5 17. h4 Ra6 18. Nh2 Qa7 19. Qb2 Bb7 20. Rfb1 Bd8 21. a4
axb4 22. axb5 Rxa1 23. Rxa1 bxc3 24. Qxc3 Na5 25. Bd2 g5 26. hxg5 hxg5 27.
Qe3 Bc8 28. Ng4 Rh5 29. Bf3 Bb6 30. Bc3 Kh8 31. Nf6 Nxf6 32. exf6 Rh7 33.
Bd1 g4 34. Bc2 Rh5 35. Kg2 Kg8 36. Rh1 Rxh1 37. Qg5+ Kf8 38. Kxh1 Nb3 39.
Bb4+ Ke8 40. Qg8+ Kd7 41. Qxf7+ Kd8 42. Qxa7 Bxa7 43. f7 Kc7 44. f8=Q Kb6
45. Qxc8 Kxb5 46. Bc3 Na5 47. Bg6 Ka4 48. Qa6 Kb3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
You should always state how many threads were used, and for Dragon whether it was MCTS or not. If you are not using MCTS, I actually think you'll get better results in these handicap games using only one thread rather than many; with MCTS using many threads does help.
I am only using 4 cores since that is the Maximun that my intel i7 has 3.40 Ghz for both Dragon and Stockfish, yes I am using MCTS, and contempt = 125 for Dragon2. I noticed that Bikjump used a horrible opening moving the Knight several times and losing several tempos, and ended up having the Knight on a6 the edge of the board for several moves giving Stockfish a great advantage in the opening. At the moment there is no top GM that can give a Knight odds to a FIDE player rated between 2100 to 2125
[pgn][Event "Knight Odds"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[Round ""]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2121"]
[Time "09:45:42"]
[WhiteElo "3590"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb4 4. d4 c5 5. d5 g6 6. a3 N4a6 7. Bf4 Bg7 8.
Nc3 O-O 9. Qd2 f6 10. h4 fxe5 11. Be3 d6 12. h5 gxh5 13. Bd3 Nd7 14. Rxh5
Nf6 15. Rh4 Nc7 16. Qc2 h5 17. O-O-O Bd7 18. Rdh1 Qc8 19. Rxh5 Nxh5 20.
Bh7+ Kh8 21. Rxh5 Rf6 22. Ne4 Be8 23. Rh2 Qd8 24. Qd1 b5 25. Qh1 Rf7 26.
Ng5 Bh6 27. Rxh6 e6 28. Rg6 Rg7 29. Bg8+ Kxg8 30. Qh7+ Kf8 {Black resigns}[/pgn]
Who is 17 years old GM Gukesh 2nd at the Candidate in Toronto?
https://indianexpress.com/article/sport ... t-9281394/
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JohnW
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Re: Can Komodo give a Queen to a 1500 chess Engine on CCRL?

Post by JohnW »

I don't know what Sargon from 1978 was rated at it but Komodo was able to beat it without a Queen.
Sorry I couldn't get the pgn to work correctly within the pgn tags.


[Event "banksia game"]
[Date "2021.09.08"]
[White "Dragon by Komodo Chess 2 64-bit"]
[Black "Sargon 1978 V1.00"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/900+0"]
[Time "15:05:23"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 512"]
[SetUp "1"]

1. d3 {-9.41/24 19979 87920990} Nc6 {-9.75/7 30073 921556} 2. e3 {-9.54/25 25277 110225032} e5
3. a3 {-9.58/24 11398 51331988} Nf6 {-9.75/6 29047 346161} 4. Ne2 {-9.73/26 37488 159682228} d5 {-9.75/7 44625 2050094}
5. h3 {-9.93/27 52675 223636250} Be7 {-9.75/6 49829 446673} 6. Ng3 {-9.93/25 41292 173579978} Be6 {-9.25/6 9400 420891}
7. Nd2 {-10.09/25 29196 127847007} O-O {-9.75/6 13892 623129} 8. Be2 {-10.37/24 22246 95750428} d4 {-9.75/6 11152 497168}
9. e4 {-9.68/25 15587 70134709} a5 {-9.75/6 10769 478207} 10. O-O {-9.65/24 10560 50361337} Bc5 {-9.75/6 16819 739991}
11. Nf3 {-9.21/24 17520 79848717} a4 {-9.75/6 14646 640854} 12. Ng5 {-9.26/24 9640 45645675} Qd7 {-9.75/6 14278 627400}
13. Nf3 {-9.42/24 39692 183030430} Rfd8 {-9.75/6 20614 903930} 14. Bg5 {-9.27/23 16860 76062247} h6 {-9.25/6 15632 679849}
15. Bxf6 {-9.25/23 10036 47973563} gxf6 {-9.25/6 10223 448332} 16. Nh2 {-9.63/26 83067 392553978} Kg7 {-9.75/6 8287 363040}
17. Bg4 {-9.32/23 19298 97286869} Bxg4 {-9.25/6 16514 712441} 18. Nxg4 {-8.73/23 10214 49802190} Kg6 {-9.25/6 6478 289204}
19. f4 {-9.11/24 19023 93141000} Be7 {-9.75/6 11702 514824} 20. f5+ {-9.59/25 56341 286265850} Kg5 {-10.25/7 11733 521832}
21. Nf2 {-9.71/25 22112 114436191} Qd6 {-9.75/6 34738 316478} 22. h4+ {-8.16/26 25005 147101153} Kxh4 {-10.75/8 17895 796677}
23. Ngh1 {-7.06/25 7921 56930587} Qc5 {-10.50/7 31356 595182} 24. g3+ {-6.83/24 7944 55503507} Kg5 {-10.00/7 6671 300072}
25. Nh3+ {+5.48/27 63554 423707956} Kg4 {-10.75/7 7349 329085} 26. Kg2 {M+10/20 1901 16167537} Qxc2+ {-11.75/7 26436 1193532}
27. N1f2+ {M+9/24 2129 13377045} Kh5 {-5.75/7 7361 320246} 28. Rh1 {M+6/38 1501 6280046} Qxf2+ {-5.75/5 26450 203138}
29. Kxf2 {M+4/99 110 376986} Kg4 {M-3/6 21891 1003058} 30. Ng1 {M+3/99 17 22238} h5 {M-2/6 5613 256337}
31. Nf3 {M+2/99 14 5525} Bc5 {M-3/6 7712 348959} 32. Rh4# {M+1/99 13 3264} 1-0
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