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Chessqueen
Posts: 5582Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 amLocation: MovingFull name: Jorge Picado
Post by Chessqueen Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:38 pm
Honestly for the TCEC to do something like this, they might as well start a Non Castling match among the best 6 engines instead of boring the hell out of people who pay a monthly fee.
[pgn][Event "TCEC Season 21 - Viewer Submitted Openings Bonus 21"]
[Site "
https://tcec-chess.com "]
[Date "2021.08.31"]
[Round "3.8"]
[White "Stockfish 14_202108220915"]
[Black "LCZero 0.28_69722-vf20"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "live"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ne5 Ne4 3. Ng6 Nc3 4. Nxf8 Ne4 5. Nc3 Ng5 6. Ne6 Ne4 7. Ng5 Nxg5 8. Nd5 Ne6 9. Nf4 Ng5 10. Nd3 Ne6 11. Nb4 Nf4 12. Nd5 Ng6 13. Nb6 Ne5 14. Nxc8 Ng4 15. Nb6 Ne3 16. Nd5 Nc4 17. Ne3 Nd6 18. Ng4 Ne4 19. Nh6 Nf6 20. Ng8 Nxg8[/pgn]
Do NOT worry and be happy, we all live a short life
lkaufman
Posts: 5960Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 amLocation: Maryland USA
Post by lkaufman Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:18 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑ Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:38 pm
Honestly for the TCEC to do something like this, they might as well start a Non Castling match among the best 6 engines instead of boring the hell out of people who pay a monthly fee.
[pgn][Event "TCEC Season 21 - Viewer Submitted Openings Bonus 21"]
[Site "
https://tcec-chess.com "]
[Date "2021.08.31"]
[Round "3.8"]
[White "Stockfish 14_202108220915"]
[Black "LCZero 0.28_69722-vf20"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "live"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ne5 Ne4 3. Ng6 Nc3 4. Nxf8 Ne4 5. Nc3 Ng5 6. Ne6 Ne4 7. Ng5 Nxg5 8. Nd5 Ne6 9. Nf4 Ng5 10. Nd3 Ne6 11. Nb4 Nf4 12. Nd5 Ng6 13. Nb6 Ne5 14. Nxc8 Ng4 15. Nb6 Ne3 16. Nd5 Nc4 17. Ne3 Nd6 18. Ng4 Ne4 19. Nh6 Nf6 20. Ng8 Nxg8[/pgn]
This is a handicap position, two bishops vs two knights. With the first move advantage as well, it is about a half pawn. I covered this position in my new book, where I concluded that White's advantage is not enough to win with correct play (probably). I think it's just about ideal for TCEC, they want positions that are close to winning but not actually winning, so the results will be on the edge of a win or a draw. A pure no castling tournament would just produce 90%+ draws. White needs a real advantage beyond the first move to avoid this fate.
Komodo rules!
yurikvelo
Posts: 710Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:53 pm
Post by yurikvelo Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:57 pm
Did very deep self-play with SF-latest
Chessqueen
Posts: 5582Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 amLocation: MovingFull name: Jorge Picado
Post by Chessqueen Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:09 am
yurikvelo wrote: ↑ Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:57 pm
Did very deep self-play with SF-latest
[pgn]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A05"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[Variation "1...Nf6"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "166"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ne5 Ne4 3. Ng6 Nc3 4. Nxf8 Ne4 5. Nc3 Ng5 6. Ne6 Ne4 7. Ng5
Nxg5 8. Nd5 Ne6 9. Nf4 Ng5 10. Nd3 Ne6 11. Nb4 Nf4 12. Nd5 Ng6 13. Nb6 Ne5
14. Nxc8 Ng4 15. Nb6 Ne3 16. Nd5 Nc4 17. Ne3 Nd6 18. Ng4 Ne4 19. Nh6 Nf6
20. Ng8 Nxg8 21. g3 c5 22. Bg2 Nc6 23. b3 h5 24. e3 Nf6 25. h3 d5 26. Qe2
Qb6 27. O-O Rd8 28. d3 O-O 29. Bb2 e5 30. c4 d4 31. exd4 exd4 32. Rae1 Rfe8
33. Qd1 Nb4 34. Qb1 Rxe1 35. Rxe1 Re8 36. Rxe8+ Nxe8 37. a3 Nc6 38. Qd1 Nf6
39. Bc1 Ne5 40. Bg5 Ned7 41. h4 Ng4 42. Qe1 Ndf6 43. b4 Qa6 44. Bc1 b6 45.
Qd1 Kf8 46. Qc2 g6 47. b5 Qc8 48. Bh3 Qe8 49. Qd1 Kg7 50. Bg2 Qe6 51. Bf4
Kh7 52. Qd2 Ne5 53. Qe2 Nfd7 54. Kf1 Qf5 55. Be4 Qg4 56. Qxg4 hxg4 57. Ke2
Kg7 58. Bd5 f5 59. f3 gxf3+ 60. Bxf3 Nxf3 61. Kxf3 Kf6 62. Bc7 Ne5+ 63. Ke2
Nd7 64. Kf3 Ne5+ 65. Ke2 Nd7 66. a4 Ke6 67. a5 bxa5 68. Bxa5 Kd6 69. Bd2
Ke5 70. Bf4+ Ke6 71. Bg5 Kd6 72. Kf3 Ne5+ 73. Ke2 Nd7 74. Bf4+ Ke6 75. Kf2
Ne5 76. Bxe5 Kxe5 77. Kf3 Ke6 78. g4 Ke5 79. g5 Kd6 80. Kf4 Ke6 81. Kf3 Kd6
82. Kf2 Kd7 83. Kf3 Kd6 {3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
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