Stockfish Attacks The Stockfish Clones...Who's Next?

[supersharp77]

Ok.. as I suspected......First They Attacked Fat Fritz 2......(Chessbase)......Now The Have Served Eman Chess
https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=480 Who Is Stockfish's Next Victim Of the Monopoly Power?

https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=479

That is when Eman started attracting the attention of some of my friends who asked me for a copy of Eman. Those friends never cared if Eman code is included with the binary or not.

But I DO. I hold some copyright and I DO care whether you preserve my authorship or not, I DO care whether you comply with the license or not. This is something that any one of more than a hundred Stockfish developers could say. The license is to protect the copyright holder, not the end user. And it's not even hard to follow, just show a bit of decency.

It's despicable that people knowingly violate the license by removing all signs of authorship. The Eman case has been even more blatant than Fat Fritz 2 or Houdini, but since it was distributed for free and has a small reach many gave it a pass. Now Eman's author forced to comply with the license chooses to cease distribution (the alternative being to release the source). Though I must say I'm happy that it was resolved in some way, I would have preferred the other solution, for the overall benefit of the chess community (however I doubt if the license will be respected in the distribution to "friends").

From how it went it's easy to see that it's one of the "I'm not doing shit until you force me. And if you force me it's you who's the bad actor, now I HAVE TO stop distributing my hobby project" situations. Many people seem unaware of any wrongdoing, and I think that's part of the issue - people allow this to happen because they either don't care, or do care but still prefer to take advantage of it. Some even defend it - https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=480.

Everyone who uses such engines is just as guilty as the people who distribute them. Either follow the license as required or don't use the software, it's as simple as that, and no amount of "hobby" or "good will" will offset that. If you don't respect the people who allowed you to produce your software no one should respect you.

I write this because it saddens me when people compare our pursuit for our rights to some kind of a holocaust of Stockfish clones.

You have an account in this forum, maybe you should post a copy of this in the "Hell of a run my man" thread.

Oof, that is a special place, to make Stockfish authors the bad guys, for asking that you follow the license.

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=77819

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77762

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77807

[Sopel]

A victim, or an accused?

[supersharp77]

A victim, or an accused?

You tell us all... you seemed to enjoy posting the original Gleefully! Speak Your Mind....

[Sopel]

A victim, or an accused?

You tell us all... you seemed to enjoy posting the original Gleefully! Speak Your Mind....

You quoted a few paragraphs of mine but seemingly failed to read them first?

[supersharp77]

Glaurung v1.1 Read Me Txt......

"Glaurung is a simple and minimalistic UCI chess engine. Compared to
other chess programs, it is neither very fast nor particularly
intelligent, but on fast modern computers it is nevertheless strong
enough to give most human players a good challenge. The source code
is delivered under the GNU Public License; see the file Copying.txt
for details. The program should compile easily in Windows and most
Unix variants (including Mac OS X).

I started working on Glaurung in the autumn of 2004, when my old chess
engine (Gothmog) got so complex and buggy that there was no point in
trying to improve it further. My goal with the new engine was to
construct a very simple program with compact code and data
requirements, and to make the code general enough to handle hexagonal
chess with just a small number of changes. Scatha, Glaurung's
hexagonal twin brother, is available as a separate download.

Thanks to the big, friendly and helpful amateur computer chess
community, chess programming is no longer a very difficult endeavour
(unless you want to become a world champion). The list of friendly
programmers who have helped me learn the craft of chess programming is
long. I have learned a lot from Ryan Benitez, Dieter Buerssner,
Anthony Cozzie, Vincent Diepeveen, Dusan Dobes, Sune Fischer, Bob Hyatt,
Sergei Markoff, Richard Pijl, Ed Schroder, Chris Whittington, and many
other programmers at the Computer Chess Club and the Winboard Forum. A
special thanks to the following three people:

* Peter Fendrich, who first introduced me to chess programming.

* Grzegorz Szidorowicz, for encouraging me to write a hexagonal chess
program, and for his advice during the development process.

* Fabien Letouzey, for generously sharing thoughts, ideas and code,
for creating Fruit and PolyGlot, and most of all for being the best
of my many friends in the computer chess community.

No less important than the programmers are the many enthusiasts who
run matches and tournaments between amateur chess engines. Without
their help, chess programming would not be nearly as fun to do. A big
thanks to Robert Allgeuer, Graham Banks, Christian Bartsch, Roger Brown,
Patrick Buchmann, Dann Corbit, Olivier Deville, Leo Dijksman, Wolfgang
Draeger, Peter Eizenhammer, Igor Gorelikov, Lars Hallerström, Heinz
van Kempen, Uschi, Christian Koch, Gabriel Leperlier, Günther Simon,
Kurt Utzinger, Ciro Vignotto, and all the other testers
out there.

Thanks to Jim Ablett, Dann Corbit, Bryan Hofmann (Crafty) and Fritz Reul(Chessmaster) for
compiling optimised Windows binaries of my program."

Reads To Me As Not Being As "Original" as Some Imagine It To Be".........

[JVMerlino]

Glaurung v1.1 Read Me Txt......

Thanks to Jim Ablett, Dann Corbit, Bryan Hofmann (Crafty) and Fritz Reul (Chessmaster) for compiling optimised Windows binaries of my program."

AFAIK, Fritz Reul had nothing to do with Chessmaster. He created List and Loop, the latter of which was determined to be at least in part cloned from Fruit 2.1.

jm

[AndrewGrant]

Who is next? Hopefully many more. Burn down every Stockfish clone that is in open violation of the GPLv3.
Its an act of delusion to feel entitled to the Stockfish source without meeting the license terms.

[smatovic]

Haha, Clone Wars, the Empire Strikes Back?? Join the Rebellion -> go MIT

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Srdja

[RubiChess]

Ok.. as I suspected......First They Attacked Fat Fritz 2......(Chessbase)......Now The Have Served Eman Chess
https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=480 Who Is Stockfish's Next Victim Of the Monopoly Power?

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[dkappe]

Ok.. as I suspected......First They Attacked Fat Fritz 2......(Chessbase)......Now The Have Served Eman Chess
https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=480 Who Is Stockfish's Next Victim Of the Monopoly Power?

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May I suggest you stop the bullying?