Stockfish Attacks The Stockfish Clones...Who's Next?

[RubiChess]

I will leave completely. This community is just too sick.

[AndrewGrant]

I will leave completely. This community is just too sick.

Another option is to put the troll users on ignore. Cuts the posts down by a good 50%.

[Guenther]

Ok.. as I suspected......First They Attacked Fat Fritz 2......(Chessbase)......Now The Have Served Eman Chess
https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/v ... ?f=9&t=480 Who Is Stockfish's Next Victim Of the Monopoly Power? :) :wink:

TrollList += supersharp77
TrollSignature[supersharp77] = :) :wink:

In my list since ever...(any random post by him pours clone love and stupidity)

[matejst]

I am certainly not a troll, I do not post often and I have no wish to provoke anybody. But I still should reiterate things I said before:

One, I see that supersharp77 does not know fully the origins of StockFish. It is a fully legit project, started by Marco Costalba and encouraged by Tord Romstad. There is nothing "fishy" (pun not intended) in its origins.

I also think that in the case of CB, SF is in his good rights ethically, although it remains to be seen how the case will end legally. I will not expand on this topic, it's complicated, and I believe that both participants have done something useful for computerchess and I hope they can find an agreement useful and satisfactory for all, e.g. a special version of SF could be developed for CB for a fee.

Nonetheless, I find that the latest campaign against "clones", and especially the reaction here at CCC is a bit hypocritical. Khalid Omar has immediately stopped distributing his engine. Everybody was aware that it was a SF derivatives, made more useful for end-users, instead of been streamlined for eng-eng competitions. Omar did not hide it, and, in general, if SF developers were not hypnotised by TCEC competitions and Elo hunting, it is something they would have done themselves, eliminating the need for the like of Shashchess, Sugar, Eman, Crystal, etc. and all this problems would probably not occur.

On the other hand, he refused to divulge his own code and, especially, ideas. I feel that SF is a stagnant project since Marco's departure, all about optimisations, without real new ideas. I think it has become a compilation of ideas found in other open source engines -- like Ethereal, Seer, Berserk, etc. Without this umbilical cord feeding SF, everything could become more difficult. I would think that it was all right -- one borrows, one has to give back, and that's the spirit of the GPL -- had the SF project been developed in the clear -- but it was almost certainly not the case after the Ippo scandal.

Without this perspective, it is difficult to understand this sudden hound on a derivative distributed for free to a handful of users, especially when his author stopped to distribute it.

[Sopel]

On the other hand, he refused to divulge his own code and, especially, ideas. I feel that SF is a stagnant project since Marco's departure, all about optimisations, without real new ideas. I think it has become a compilation of ideas found in other open source engines -- like Ethereal, Seer, Berserk, etc.

Please think twice next time before you write something so false and offensive

[AndrewGrant]

On the other hand, he refused to divulge his own code and, especially, ideas. I feel that SF is a stagnant project since Marco's departure, all about optimisations, without real new ideas. I think it has become a compilation of ideas found in other open source engines -- like Ethereal, Seer, Berserk, etc.

Please think twice next time before you write something so false and offensive

Stockfish is desperately in need of Marco to come back and ... idk reinvent the entire evaluation paradigm? I guess it can't happen without him :shrug: Oh well maybe someone else will do it and then it will feed back into Stockfish.

His post almost reads like it was written by me, in a blatant trolling effort. Except its real?

[connor_mcmonigle]

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On the other hand, he refused to divulge his own code and, especially, ideas. I feel that SF is a stagnant project since Marco's departure, all about optimisations, without real new ideas. I think it has become a compilation of ideas found in other open source engines -- like Ethereal, Seer, Berserk, etc. Without this umbilical cord feeding SF, everything could become more difficult. I would think that it was all right -- one borrows, one has to give back, and that's the spirit of the GPL -- had the SF project been developed in the clear -- but it was almost certainly not the case after the Ippo scandal.
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This is false.

It is true that there are a number of Stockfish ideas found in Seer (most notably the counter move history heuristic) as well as in Ethereal and other open source engines. Of the handful of somewhat original search ideas found in Seer, none can be found in Stockfish. The converse is simply false.

[purechess]

Stockfish authors reminds people to not violate the GPL v3 license .That's all

[supersharp77]

The Great "Genius Of Stockfish GPL Purity Herr Sopel Now has a New Delicious Stockfish Target...Behold CORCHESS !!

By the way, I also checked CorChess EXE. There is only I. Ivec as the author. However, new Stockfish patches are constantly being released. Is Ivec the sole author?

CorChess: http://chess.ultimaiq.net/stockfish.html

Indeed, CorChess seems to be violating the license too.

You're wrong.
From the link Eduard gave click "More about CoreChess..." at the bottom of the site, which leads to

http://chess.ultimaiq.net/corchess.html

First sentence there is

CorChess is a clone of Stockfish [source code] maintained for better performance on long time controls,
trying at least partially to fill the gap between regular tests and demands of correspondence players.

[source code] leads to

https://github.com/IIvec/Stockfish/tree/corchess

The distribution of the executable on the previously linked site does not follow the license. Also the changes made to the program violate the license. "I have taken steps to enforce compliance."

"And Comply They Will Or Else"...Herr Sopel Works "That Stockfish Magic on The Clones"...

[amanjpro]

The Great "Genius Of Stockfish GPL Purity Herr Sopel Now has a New Delicious Stockfish Target...Behold CORCHESS !!

By the way, I also checked CorChess EXE. There is only I. Ivec as the author. However, new Stockfish patches are constantly being released. Is Ivec the sole author?

CorChess: http://chess.ultimaiq.net/stockfish.html

Indeed, CorChess seems to be violating the license too.

You're wrong.
From the link Eduard gave click "More about CoreChess..." at the bottom of the site, which leads to

http://chess.ultimaiq.net/corchess.html

First sentence there is

CorChess is a clone of Stockfish [source code] maintained for better performance on long time controls,
trying at least partially to fill the gap between regular tests and demands of correspondence players.

[source code] leads to

https://github.com/IIvec/Stockfish/tree/corchess

The distribution of the executable on the previously linked site does not follow the license. Also the changes made to the program violate the license. "I have taken steps to enforce compliance."

"And Comply They Will Or Else"...Herr Sopel Works "That Stockfish Magic on The Clones"...

Dude I educated you for free... Why still persisting on your ignorance...