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How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
by Marcus9
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:16 am
by MikeB
Marcus9 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.
I will let others answer your other questions.
Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:22 am
by lkaufman
MikeB wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:16 am
Marcus9 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.
I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
Re: How would stockfish 14 perform in odd match?
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:41 am
by Chessqueen
Marcus9 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
I believe that the latest Stockfish 14 with the newer NET might perform as good as Komodo MCTS 2 but unless somebody test it in a match against the same opponent such as IM TOTH with Knight odds we will never know the answer
Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:06 pm
by MikeB
lkaufman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:22 am
MikeB wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:16 am
Marcus9 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.
I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
Indeed , my bad for noticing the word "odd".
Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:12 pm
by lkaufman
MikeB wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:06 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:22 am
MikeB wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:16 am
Marcus9 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.
I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
Indeed , my bad for noticing the word "odd".
I suppose the missing "s" (the word should be "odds") threw you. Anyway, as I noted in another thread, SF 14 doesn't seem to know that trading pieces is bad when it is down a piece, so I could beat it easily at knight odds even in blitz. Lc0 is pretty good at giving knight odds now, so Dragon does has some competition in this arena, but not from Stockfish.