How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

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How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

Post by Marcus9 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm

Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?

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Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

Post by MikeB » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:16 am

Marcus9 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.

I will let others answer your other questions.
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Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

Post by lkaufman » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:22 pm

MikeB wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:16 am
Marcus9 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.

I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
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Re: How would stockfish 14 perform in odd match?

Post by Chessqueen » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:41 pm

Marcus9 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
I believe that the latest Stockfish 14 with the newer NET might perform as good as Komodo MCTS 2 but unless somebody test it in a match against the same opponent such as IM TOTH with Knight odds we will never know the answer :roll:
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Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

Post by MikeB » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:06 pm

lkaufman wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:22 pm
MikeB wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:16 am
Marcus9 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.

I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
Indeed , my bad for noticing the word "odd".
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Re: How perform stockfish 14 in odd match?

Post by lkaufman » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:12 pm

MikeB wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:06 pm
lkaufman wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:22 pm
MikeB wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:16 am
Marcus9 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Quoting the description of stockfish 14: "the new network is not only larger, but more importantly, it deals better with large material imbalances".
Has anyone done any tests versus other engines? What is expected of the outcome against humans? Is now a good competitor against Dragon 2 MCTS in odd match?
What is expected of the outcome against humans?
Stockfish will win.

I will let others answer your other questions.
I think he was asking how Stockfish 14 would do against strong human players giving them knight odds, as we have been doing lately. Of course the answer depends on who the players are, and the time limit. Were you answering this question or just stating the obvious fact that Stockfish will win without a handicap? Perhaps I'll play against SF 14 myself at knight odds in Rapid to see for myself; I'm pretty even with Dragon that way, roughly 1/3 wins, 1/3 losses, 1/3 draws.
Indeed , my bad for noticing the word "odd".
I suppose the missing "s" (the word should be "odds") threw you. Anyway, as I noted in another thread, SF 14 doesn't seem to know that trading pieces is bad when it is down a piece, so I could beat it easily at knight odds even in blitz. Lc0 is pretty good at giving knight odds now, so Dragon does has some competition in this arena, but not from Stockfish.
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