Commercial Release of Ethereal 13.00 (NNUE) for AVX2 Systems

[RubiChess]

Talkchess needs a new sub-forum "M1 fetish" where Alex can post the same questions again and again and that mainstream users can just ignore.

[amanjpro]

INDECENT REQUEST?

Andrew, could you please release a complete Ethereal 13.26 NNUE commercial ssse3 TRIAL (expiring after 1 hour) to test if it works fine with 4 CPUs like Ethereal 12.75 SF NNUE does PERFECTLY on Windows 11 ARM64?

...Only to understand what is happening to my beta Windows 11 ARM64 that works with all other popcount ssse3 | sse41 engines and WinARM64 builds like Igel 3.0.5 (neon) NNUE Arm64 and RubiChess 2.2 WinArm64 (neon) ?

Or maybe you could test Ethereal 13 NNUE on a Microsoft Surface Windows 10 | 11 ARM64...
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/2094 ... pecs-price

THANK YOU!
Best regards, AlexChess
(the troll )

Dude, Ethereal is commercial, respect that... It is perfectly normal for a GPL engine (software) to be commercial, as long as whatever is sold under GPL, has its source publicly available. In this sense, Ethereal perfectly respects the license.

You had no problem paying for Apple M1, and MS Surface, but you find it hard to justify paying for an engine that you want to test? this is very disrespectful for the author of the engine.

The source code of Ethereal is there, you can grab it, install gcc and compile it... all you need, is your machine a bit of patience and a single make command... You can then download the NNUE file and have an engine as good as the commercial one.

FYI, I believe GPL doesn't allow you to have "trial" versions

[Rebel]

+1

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[AlexChess]

OK
I hope that someone will test it on a Surface ARM64 device, because the github version doesn't work on my system with more than 1 CPU... tried multiple builds, maybe the commercial version has something different

Regards, AlexChess

[amanjpro]

OK
I hope that someone will test it on a Surface ARM64 device, because the github version doesn't work on my system with more than 1 CPU... tried multiple builds, maybe the commercial version has something different

Regards, AlexChess

You really need to learn how licenses work, and what does it mean for a software to be GPL.

There can be EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE between the commercial version and the free version. That is the beauty of GPL (or curse for some?). If you have 100 lines of code under GPL, you add one line to it, and want to sell your version (the one with 101 lines) or even give away the binary to others for free, YOU HAVE TO also give them your source code (all 101 lines). YOU CANNOT have private version for commercial purposes only.

There is no Github version and commercial version. There is Andrew's own compile (which he sells it), and your own compile (which is free). They both compile the same exact source code, using the same exact make file. Andrew cannot even use a different makefile without also releasing its source code.

Now, you know that... you should know that whatever issue is present in the version that you have (the free version), is also present in the commercial one, no matter who has compiled it

[AlexChess]

Talkchess needs a new sub-forum "M1 fetish" where Alex can post the same questions again and again and that mainstream users can just ignore.

OK, got it

No fetish, no money to build a new PC...

Regards, AlexChess

[AlexChess]

OK
I hope that someone will test it on a Surface ARM64 device, because the github version doesn't work on my system with more than 1 CPU... tried multiple builds, maybe the commercial version has something different

Regards, AlexChess

You really need to learn how licenses work, and what does it mean for a software to be GPL.

There can be EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE between the commercial version and the free version. That is the beauty of GPL (or curse for some?). If you have 100 lines of code under GPL, you add one line to it, and want to sell your version (the one with 101 lines) or even give away the binary to others for free, YOU HAVE TO also give them your source code (all 101 lines). YOU CANNOT have private version for commercial purposes only.

There is no Github version and commercial version. There is Andrew's own compile (which he sells it), and your own compile (which is free). They both compile the same exact source code, using the same exact make file. Andrew cannot even use a different makefile without also releasing its source code.

Now, you know that... you should know that whatever issue is present in the version that you have (the free version), is also present in the commercial one, no matter who has compiled it

The macOS M1 build of 13.xx github works fine with all 8 CPUs. On it the NNUE is completely disabled. I DON'T WANT the engine for free. I want only to know before buying if the commercial version will work on my system or will be useless.

Regards, AlexChess

[AndrewGrant]

I am working on ARM things. Its why I've not dropped 13.25, despite passing it on github, getting advanced copies to a couple rating lists, and deciding what to do in regards to those who bought 13.00. But frankly Alex, I don't really want to interact with you. I have purchased an ARM device and can sort that out on my own just so I can get back to android support. The ARM marketshare on desktop CPUs is near zero. The documnetation for vector operations is not as readily available, or as widely understood, as the instruction sets released by Intel, subsequently adopted by AMD.

[AlexChess]

I am working on ARM things. Its why I've not dropped 13.25, despite passing it on github, getting advanced copies to a couple rating lists, and deciding what to do in regards to those who bought 13.00. But frankly Alex, I don't really want to interact with you. I have purchased an ARM device and can sort that out on my own just so I can get back to android support. The ARM marketshare on desktop CPUs is near zero. The documnetation for vector operations is not as readily available, or as widely understood, as the instruction sets released by Intel, subsequently adopted by AMD.

OK sorry, I will not post anymore on Ethereal. Thank you for this answer.

Best regards, AlexChess

[amanjpro]

OK
I hope that someone will test it on a Surface ARM64 device, because the github version doesn't work on my system with more than 1 CPU... tried multiple builds, maybe the commercial version has something different

Regards, AlexChess

You really need to learn how licenses work, and what does it mean for a software to be GPL.

There can be EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE between the commercial version and the free version. That is the beauty of GPL (or curse for some?). If you have 100 lines of code under GPL, you add one line to it, and want to sell your version (the one with 101 lines) or even give away the binary to others for free, YOU HAVE TO also give them your source code (all 101 lines). YOU CANNOT have private version for commercial purposes only.

There is no Github version and commercial version. There is Andrew's own compile (which he sells it), and your own compile (which is free). They both compile the same exact source code, using the same exact make file. Andrew cannot even use a different makefile without also releasing its source code.

Now, you know that... you should know that whatever issue is present in the version that you have (the free version), is also present in the commercial one, no matter who has compiled it

The macOS M1 build of 13.xx github works fine with all 8 CPUs. On it the NNUE is completely disabled. I DON'T WANT the engine for free. I want only to know before buying if the commercial version will work on my system or will be useless.

Regards, AlexChess

That is because Ethereal has issues supporting M1 (or as per Andrew, all ARM CPUs), it doesn't matter if it is commercial or not... now you know, I hope you stop harassing Andrew