Commercial Release of Ethereal 13.00 (NNUE) for AVX2 Systems

[AlexChess]

Andrew, you (and others here) was saying that clones never score better than Stockfish and using yellow patches their code only ruines and weakens the original source. After a lot of tournaments and thousands of games with heretic engines, I'm 99% sure that you are wrong. Stockfish Team and other indipendant authors must deeply analyse their GPLv3 code to improve SF and I really hope that the skilled programmers behind Fisherov, Raubfisch, Eman, Killfish and AI will release their modified code to the community to share their secrets, instead of simply stopping the development! This is why I'm continuing to privately test ALL the engines availables

[Guenther]

Andrew, you (and others here) was saying that clones never score better than Stockfish and using yellow patches their code only ruines and weakens the original source. After a lot of tournaments and thousands of games with heretic engines, I'm 99% sure that you are wrong. Stockfish Team and other indipendant authors must deeply analyse their GPLv3 code to improve SF and I really hope that the skilled programmers behind Fisherov, Raubfisch, Eman, Killfish and AI will release their modified code to the community to share their secrets, instead of simply stopping the development! This is why I'm continuing to privately test ALL the engines availables :)

Why do you spam each and every thread here since a few months (about things you don't have the slightest clue!)?

Your errror bars are bigger than Mount Rushmore - go figure before posting.

[AlexChess]

Why do you spam each and every thread here since a few months (about things you don't have the slightest clue!)?

Your errror bars are bigger than Mount Rushmore - go figure before posting.

Guenther, with 4022 posts here you are the true Master ...of spam

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.p ... 71#p903287

Thank you again SOPEL!

[amanjpro]

Andrew, you (and others here) was saying that clones never score better than Stockfish and using yellow patches their code only ruines and weakens the original source. After a lot of tournaments and thousands of games with heretic engines, I'm 99% sure that you are wrong. Stockfish Team and other indipendant authors must deeply analyse their GPLv3 code to improve SF and I really hope that the skilled programmers behind Fisherov, Raubfisch, Eman, Killfish and AI will release their modified code to the community to share their secrets, instead of simply stopping the development! This is why I'm continuing to privately test ALL the engines availables

Ok, ask your self, what does this post have to do with this thread? NOTHING


Reporting it, to be removed, as it is not related to thread

[AlexChess]

Ok, ask your self, what does this post have to do with this thread? NOTHING

Reporting it, to be removed, as it is not related to thread

Why isn't it related?
Ethereal 13.00 standard github is rated 3400 ELO, Ethereal 13.25 NNUE commercial 3532 ELO. Choosing to rewrite Ethereal from scratch has caused a delta of about 100 ELO from top engines (all derivatives on the first 20 positions: the stronger not derivative is Dragon 2.0) ...And something broke compatibility with my system, while 12.75 works perfectly with 4-8 CPUs and never crashes.
I really hope that Ethereal will gain soon his deserved ranking because I like his style since years (it is still incredibly fast, but probably Andrew now cuts too many moves) but closing it in his "Ivory Tower" instead of continuing to develop it keeping his open source status also for NNUE (keeping compatibility with other free NNUEs) caused my (and other fans in most forums) disappoint.

What I don't understand are your words:
"There is no Github version and commercial version. There is Andrew's own compile (which he sells it), and your own compile (which is free). They both compile the same exact source code, using the same exact make file. Andrew cannot even use a different makefile without also releasing its source code."

??? I cannot compile or simply use his commercial NNUE, or others FREE with it, like I do with immense pleasure with the evergreen Ethereal 12.75 NNUE.

Best regards, Alex

[amanjpro]

Ok, ask your self, what does this post have to do with this thread? NOTHING

Reporting it, to be removed, as it is not related to thread

Why isn't it related?
Ethereal 13.00 standard github is rated 3400 ELO, Ethereal 13.25 NNUE commercial 3532 ELO. Choosing to rewrite Ethereal from scratch has caused a delta of about 100 ELO from top engines (all derivatives on the first 20 positions: the stronger not derivative is Dragon 2.0) ...And something broke compatibility with my system, while 12.75 works perfectly with 4-8 CPUs and never crashes.
I really hope that Ethereal will gain soon his deserved ranking because I like his style since years (it is still incredibly fast, but probably Andrew now cuts too many moves) but closing it in his "Ivory Tower" instead of continuing to develop it keeping his open source status also for NNUE (keeping compatibility with other free NNUEs) caused my (and other fans in most forums) disappoint.

What I don't understand are your words:
"There is no Github version and commercial version. There is Andrew's own compile (which he sells it), and your own compile (which is free). They both compile the same exact source code, using the same exact make file. Andrew cannot even use a different makefile without also releasing its source code."

??? I cannot compile or simply use his commercial NNUE, or others FREE with it, like I do with immense pleasure with the evergreen Ethereal 12.75 NNUE.

Best regards, Alex

OK, you have made this point ten thousand times already, if he listens he listens, if he doesn't, you gotta stop... you are harrasing not only him, but all of us.

He hasn't completely re-written Ehereal, he used a different eval funcition. And if you like the way Ethereal plays (not the numbers in the crosstable) then what he did with this commercial release preserves the Ethereal style, while the previous SF-NNUE didn't... but do you even listen?

[AlexChess]

??? I cannot compile or simply use his commercial NNUE, or others FREE with it, like I do with immense pleasure with the evergreen Ethereal 12.75 NNUE.

Best regards, Alex

OK, you have made this point ten thousand times already, if he listens he listens, if he doesn't, you gotta stop... you are harrasing not only him, but all of us.

He hasn't completely re-written Ehereal, he used a different eval funcition. And if you like the way Ethereal plays (not the numbers in the crosstable) then what he did with this commercial release preserves the Ethereal style, while the previous SF-NNUE didn't... but do you even listen?

Then you see that it is related to this topic, but you haven't still explained your statements. Can I compile also his NNUE making it exacltly like the commercial version? I will buy the commercial version when it will be fully compatible with my system (including NNUE obviously) It's the reason for asking him a trial with 1 hour expiration...

[amanjpro]

??? I cannot compile or simply use his commercial NNUE, or others FREE with it, like I do with immense pleasure with the evergreen Ethereal 12.75 NNUE.

Best regards, Alex

OK, you have made this point ten thousand times already, if he listens he listens, if he doesn't, you gotta stop... you are harrasing not only him, but all of us.

He hasn't completely re-written Ehereal, he used a different eval funcition. And if you like the way Ethereal plays (not the numbers in the crosstable) then what he did with this commercial release preserves the Ethereal style, while the previous SF-NNUE didn't... but do you even listen?

Then you see that it is related to this topic, but you haven't still explained your statements. Can I compile also his NNUE making it exacltly like the commercial version? I will buy the commercial version when it will be fully compatible with my system (including NNUE obviously) It's the reason for asking him a trial with 1 hour expiration...

It is not related anymore, if you want create a topic, in "Computer Chess Club: Programming and Technical Discussions", asking for help, and someone will most likely help you...

And, I am starting to feel the need for ignoring your posts, so probably you want to make sure to comply with common sense

[gerhard]

Alex

with all due respect

one simply question ... how old are you ?

sorry but all your posting are that kind of strange - I really dont want to read it furtheron
i have now blocked you, cause i got badly sick of it ........
may be you should do things you understand better

best regards

[AlexChess]

Alex

with all due respect

one simply question ... how old are you ?

sorry but all your posting are that kind of strange - I really dont want to read it furtheron
i have now blocked you, cause i got badly sick of it ........
may be you should do things you understand better

best regards

I don't even know who you are, so no problem

best regards