Queens Gambit

[Cornfed]

Except that I did not say that.

Dan, people do not know how to read anymore...

[Milos]

Except that I did not say that.

And you also didn't make the most stupid strawman, yeah right...

[Dann Corbit]

Except that I did not say that.

And you also didn't make the most stupid strawman, yeah right...

Here is my quote:

That works sometimes, but if the result of your play is a win/loss in every situation, your play isn't that good at all

I disagree, I think someone could easily program a "Beth Harmon" that plays Stockfish NNUE's moves most of the time, except when the game is about to be a draw, then it switches to some ProDeo personality that avoids draw no matter what (or sacrifices a piece for a pawn, or the queen for 3 pieces, etc.) so either it recovers and wins or you can beat it.

This would produce an extremely strong opponent (lest we'd be getting reports of humans drawing against Stockfish NNUE) that would behave like Beth (throwing drawn games), you'd just need to switch SNNUE for a weaker engine (one that'd lost against the likes of Bobby Fisher.)

If you switch to an inferior engine, you get away from perfect chess, not closer. In any case, the series is about a person (the machine reference was an attempt on my part to understand where they're coming from).

This is not always true. A much stronger engine usually prunes a lot. Sometimes, a more brute force approach will find a better solution faster for certain classes of problems. The engine might be 2000 Elo weaker, but for a few very special problems, it can find the perfect solution in less time.

My point was that it is possible for a weaker engine (on rare occasions) to play more perfectly simply because the stronger engine pruned too much. I stated this very clearly.

[Milos]

Except that I did not say that.

And you also didn't make the most stupid strawman, yeah right...

Here is my quote:

That works sometimes, but if the result of your play is a win/loss in every situation, your play isn't that good at all

I disagree, I think someone could easily program a "Beth Harmon" that plays Stockfish NNUE's moves most of the time, except when the game is about to be a draw, then it switches to some ProDeo personality that avoids draw no matter what (or sacrifices a piece for a pawn, or the queen for 3 pieces, etc.) so either it recovers and wins or you can beat it.

This would produce an extremely strong opponent (lest we'd be getting reports of humans drawing against Stockfish NNUE) that would behave like Beth (throwing drawn games), you'd just need to switch SNNUE for a weaker engine (one that'd lost against the likes of Bobby Fisher.)

If you switch to an inferior engine, you get away from perfect chess, not closer. In any case, the series is about a person (the machine reference was an attempt on my part to understand where they're coming from).

This is not always true. A much stronger engine usually prunes a lot. Sometimes, a more brute force approach will find a better solution faster for certain classes of problems. The engine might be 2000 Elo weaker, but for a few very special problems, it can find the perfect solution in less time.

My point was that it is possible for a weaker engine (on rare occasions) to play more perfectly simply because the stronger engine pruned too much. I stated this very clearly.

This rare occasion happens in <0.01% of total positions and you argument is therefore strawman and totally pointless.
That's exactly the same logic of ppl saying vaccines are not necessarily good cause they can harm in 0.01% of cases, while in 99.99% of cases they are helping.
Your inability to recognize simple logic fallacies that make argumentation pointless is rather disappointing.

[Dann Corbit]

Except that I did not say that.

And you also didn't make the most stupid strawman, yeah right...

Here is my quote:

That works sometimes, but if the result of your play is a win/loss in every situation, your play isn't that good at all

I disagree, I think someone could easily program a "Beth Harmon" that plays Stockfish NNUE's moves most of the time, except when the game is about to be a draw, then it switches to some ProDeo personality that avoids draw no matter what (or sacrifices a piece for a pawn, or the queen for 3 pieces, etc.) so either it recovers and wins or you can beat it.

This would produce an extremely strong opponent (lest we'd be getting reports of humans drawing against Stockfish NNUE) that would behave like Beth (throwing drawn games), you'd just need to switch SNNUE for a weaker engine (one that'd lost against the likes of Bobby Fisher.)

If you switch to an inferior engine, you get away from perfect chess, not closer. In any case, the series is about a person (the machine reference was an attempt on my part to understand where they're coming from).

This is not always true. A much stronger engine usually prunes a lot. Sometimes, a more brute force approach will find a better solution faster for certain classes of problems. The engine might be 2000 Elo weaker, but for a few very special problems, it can find the perfect solution in less time.

My point was that it is possible for a weaker engine (on rare occasions) to play more perfectly simply because the stronger engine pruned too much. I stated this very clearly.

This rare occasion happens in <0.01% of total positions and you argument is therefore strawman and totally pointless.

In fact, I said exactly that. I made no claims that a weaker engine is stronger. Only that in rare exceptions it can play better.

That's exactly the same logic of ppl saying vaccines are not necessarily good cause they can harm in 0.01% of cases, while in 99.99% of cases they are helping.

This is what is known as a strawman. If I said that vaccines were pointless, you would be right.

Your inability to recognize simple logic fallacies that make argumentation pointless is rather disappointing.

Your total inability to comprehend simple sentences amazes me.

[smatovic]

Oh boy, I am late to the party, just watched the first epsiode and have tears in my eyes, go Beth, hit it! Somone should make a Netflix out of a chess programmer's story, Turing meets Beth, or alike

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[Ovyron]

Oh boy, I am late to the party, just watched the first epsiode and have tears in my eyes, go Beth, hit it! Somone should make a Netflix out of a chess programmer's story, Turing meets Beth, or alike

Well done, I really suggest not watching more than 1 episode daily, the dosage for optimum enjoyment is very important for Queen's Gambit because for a several hours long movie it doesn't deliver, but it has more impact if you've spent the last day thinking about what's going to happen next.

[mclane]

Do they di a second season ?!

It was such a huge success for Chess all over the world. We should hope for a continuation.

[brianr]

Well done, I really suggest not watching more than 1 episode daily, the dosage for optimum enjoyment is very important for Queen's Gambit because for a several hours long movie it doesn't deliver, but it has more impact if you've spent the last day thinking about what's going to happen next.

I suggest just the opposite: watch them all at once.
Just my opinion after enjoying watching it six times (ok, at least times were due to the pandemic and being in will watch almost anything mode).
Aside from the larger issues woven into the story, the details and gradual changes (costumes, hair, cars, music) are like a time machine taking me back to my youth. I could well have been one of the younger chess club dweebs (sans the book bag) in the science lab simultaneous tourney scene.
Incidentally, with NF you can slightly increase the playback speed also (which saves an hour).

[Ovyron]

Do they di a second season ?!

It was such a huge success for Chess all over the world. We should hope for a continuation.

No, it's based on a book and a complete story, most fans thought any addition could ruin the story.

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To me it was a great surprise when she grew up and was replaced by young adult Beth, I thought it was the story of a chess prodigy, so for a sequel I recommend her to have a daughter, and the first episode on the second season is how Beth wants her daughter to live a normal life and forbid her from playing chess, so the kid has to learn it in secret, and when finally she agrees to teach her, her daughter beats her on their first game! And this time the story is about a chess prodigy, the story I thought we were going to have, but didn't.

but they need to write it first, as the original book ended at this point.