Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

Post by Sylwy »

The situation in my test after only 13 games (TC = 4 '+ 2 "-12-15 minutes per game):

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Superb engine. Only one (big) problem: sometimes it can't capitalize on a decisive advantage (four draws - out of a total of thirteen games - had a decisive advantage. Untapped). Syzygy !?!
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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

Post by Gabor Szots »

+200 is probable, looking at the standings of my ongoing gauntlet. However, in this game, at move 56, something unexpected happened (unfortunately no debug is available).

[pgn][Event "Orion 0.8 64-bit - Dec 2"]
[Site "Szentendre"]
[Date "2020.12.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Orion 0.8 64-bit"]
[Black "DiscoCheck 5.2.1 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B09"]
[Opening "Pirc"]
[Time "11:54:03"]
[Variation "Austrian, 5...O-O 6.Bd3 Nc6"]
[TimeControl "120+1"]
[PlyCount "125"]

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. h3
{+0.48/12 2} Nb4 {-0.11/17 5} 8. Be3 {+0.50/13 3} Nxd3+ {-0.07/15 5} 9.
Qxd3 {+0.49/13 2} d5 {+0.13/18 4} 10. e5 {+0.89/16 2} Bf5 {-0.18/19 5} 11.
Qe2 {+1.19/17 2} Ne4 {-0.21/19 4} 12. Nxe4 {+1.19/17 2} Bxe4 {-0.22/16 2}
13. Ng5 {+1.19/15 3} Bf5 {-0.10/18 4} 14. g4 {+1.24/14 2} Bd7 {-0.19/17 4}
15. O-O-O {+1.36/13 3} a5 {-0.17/16 4} 16. Nf3 {+1.40/12 2} b5 {-0.16/15 4}
17. f5 {+1.87/13 3} b4 {-0.07/16 4} 18. Rdg1 {+1.71/13 3} a4 {+0.13/16 3}
19. h4 {+1.59/12 2} b3 {-0.22/16 3} 20. a3 {+2.20/13 2} bxc2 {-0.63/16 3}
21. h5 {+2.61/12 1} Qb8 {-0.63/16 3} 22. Qxc2 {+2.34/11 1} Ra6 {-0.38/16 4}
23. Bd2 {+1.90/11 2} Qb5 {-0.23/14 3} 24. Bb4 {+2.19/12 2} Rc6 {-0.29/16 3}
25. Bc5 {+2.32/13 1} Rb8 {-0.17/16 3} 26. h6 {+2.22/14 1} Bh8 {-0.38/16 3}
27. Rh2 {+2.29/12 2} Qb3 {-0.22/17 3} 28. Qxb3 {+2.51/16 1} Rxb3 {-0.32/18
1} 29. Rf2 {+2.69/14 1} Rb8 {-0.51/18 3} 30. Rc2 {+3.58/13 1} Re8 {-0.27/17
2} 31. Rc3 {+3.75/15 3} Bc8 {-0.33/17 2} 32. Kd2 {+4.01/15 1} Ba6 {-0.27/17
2} 33. b4 {+3.81/17 2} Bb5 {-0.48/16 2} 34. Rh1 {+4.20/14 2} Ra6 {-0.59/18
2} 35. Ke3 {+4.23/17 2} Bd7 {-0.43/17 2} 36. Rg1 {+4.24/17 1} Bb5 {-0.46/17
2} 37. Kf2 {+4.23/16 2} Rc6 {-0.44/18 2} 38. Re3 {+4.26/16 2} Bc4 {-0.71/18
2} 39. Rc3 {+4.25/18 1} Bb5 {-0.72/18 2} 40. Rh1 {+4.26/16 2} Ra6 {-0.83/18
2} 41. Rh3 {+4.27/17 1} f6 {-0.83/17 3} 42. e6 {+4.60/18 2} g5 {-0.54/22 2}
43. Rh1 {+4.60/18 1} c6 {-0.54/26 2} 44. Rhc1 {+4.54/19 2} Kf8 {-0.50/27 2}
45. Re3 {+4.54/19 1} Rb8 {-0.51/28 2} 46. Ng1 {+4.49/19 1} Rb7 {-0.51/27 2}
47. Ne2 {+4.51/20 2} Bc4 {-0.55/27 2} 48. Rxc4 {+5.29/20 1} dxc4 {-1.13/23
1} 49. Rc3 {+5.64/22 2} Ra8 {-1.45/22 2} 50. Rxc4 {+5.83/22 1} Ke8
{-1.69/24 2} 51. d5 {+7.05/20 2} cxd5 {-1.73/22 0} 52. Rd4 {+7.55/20 1} Rc8
{-1.84/22 1} 53. Nc3 {+8.33/19 2} Rd8 {-2.33/23 1} 54. Nxd5 {+9.33/19 1}
Rc8 {-3.41/18 2} 55. Ke3 {+11.14/18 1} Rd8 {-4.27/20 1} 56. Nxf6+
{+12.76/20 2} Bxf6 {+4.20/19 0} 57. Rxd8+ {-5.85/14 1} Kxd8 {0.00/1 0} 58.
Bd4 {-5.86/16 1} Bxd4+ {+6.12/20 2} 59. Kxd4 {-5.78/15 1} Rc7 {+6.50/19 1}
60. b5 {-5.65/15 1} Ke8 {+7.12/20 2} 61. b6 {-9.45/16 2} Rc6 {+7.58/20 2}
62. b7 {-11.30/17 2} Rb6 {+12.16/22 1} 63. Kd3 {-11.91/16 2 Arena
Adjudication} 0-1

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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

Post by Guenther »

Gabor Szots wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 pm +200 is probable, looking at the standings of my ongoing gauntlet. However, in this game, at move 56, something unexpected happened (unfortunately no debug is available).

[pgn][Event "Orion 0.8 64-bit - Dec 2"]
[Site "Szentendre"]
[Date "2020.12.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Orion 0.8 64-bit"]
[Black "DiscoCheck 5.2.1 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B09"]
[Opening "Pirc"]
[Time "11:54:03"]
[Variation "Austrian, 5...O-O 6.Bd3 Nc6"]
[TimeControl "120+1"]
[PlyCount "125"]

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. h3
{+0.48/12 2} Nb4 {-0.11/17 5} 8. Be3 {+0.50/13 3} Nxd3+ {-0.07/15 5} 9.
Qxd3 {+0.49/13 2} d5 {+0.13/18 4} 10. e5 {+0.89/16 2} Bf5 {-0.18/19 5} 11.
Qe2 {+1.19/17 2} Ne4 {-0.21/19 4} 12. Nxe4 {+1.19/17 2} Bxe4 {-0.22/16 2}
13. Ng5 {+1.19/15 3} Bf5 {-0.10/18 4} 14. g4 {+1.24/14 2} Bd7 {-0.19/17 4}
15. O-O-O {+1.36/13 3} a5 {-0.17/16 4} 16. Nf3 {+1.40/12 2} b5 {-0.16/15 4}
17. f5 {+1.87/13 3} b4 {-0.07/16 4} 18. Rdg1 {+1.71/13 3} a4 {+0.13/16 3}
19. h4 {+1.59/12 2} b3 {-0.22/16 3} 20. a3 {+2.20/13 2} bxc2 {-0.63/16 3}
21. h5 {+2.61/12 1} Qb8 {-0.63/16 3} 22. Qxc2 {+2.34/11 1} Ra6 {-0.38/16 4}
23. Bd2 {+1.90/11 2} Qb5 {-0.23/14 3} 24. Bb4 {+2.19/12 2} Rc6 {-0.29/16 3}
25. Bc5 {+2.32/13 1} Rb8 {-0.17/16 3} 26. h6 {+2.22/14 1} Bh8 {-0.38/16 3}
27. Rh2 {+2.29/12 2} Qb3 {-0.22/17 3} 28. Qxb3 {+2.51/16 1} Rxb3 {-0.32/18
1} 29. Rf2 {+2.69/14 1} Rb8 {-0.51/18 3} 30. Rc2 {+3.58/13 1} Re8 {-0.27/17
2} 31. Rc3 {+3.75/15 3} Bc8 {-0.33/17 2} 32. Kd2 {+4.01/15 1} Ba6 {-0.27/17
2} 33. b4 {+3.81/17 2} Bb5 {-0.48/16 2} 34. Rh1 {+4.20/14 2} Ra6 {-0.59/18
2} 35. Ke3 {+4.23/17 2} Bd7 {-0.43/17 2} 36. Rg1 {+4.24/17 1} Bb5 {-0.46/17
2} 37. Kf2 {+4.23/16 2} Rc6 {-0.44/18 2} 38. Re3 {+4.26/16 2} Bc4 {-0.71/18
2} 39. Rc3 {+4.25/18 1} Bb5 {-0.72/18 2} 40. Rh1 {+4.26/16 2} Ra6 {-0.83/18
2} 41. Rh3 {+4.27/17 1} f6 {-0.83/17 3} 42. e6 {+4.60/18 2} g5 {-0.54/22 2}
43. Rh1 {+4.60/18 1} c6 {-0.54/26 2} 44. Rhc1 {+4.54/19 2} Kf8 {-0.50/27 2}
45. Re3 {+4.54/19 1} Rb8 {-0.51/28 2} 46. Ng1 {+4.49/19 1} Rb7 {-0.51/27 2}
47. Ne2 {+4.51/20 2} Bc4 {-0.55/27 2} 48. Rxc4 {+5.29/20 1} dxc4 {-1.13/23
1} 49. Rc3 {+5.64/22 2} Ra8 {-1.45/22 2} 50. Rxc4 {+5.83/22 1} Ke8
{-1.69/24 2} 51. d5 {+7.05/20 2} cxd5 {-1.73/22 0} 52. Rd4 {+7.55/20 1} Rc8
{-1.84/22 1} 53. Nc3 {+8.33/19 2} Rd8 {-2.33/23 1} 54. Nxd5 {+9.33/19 1}
Rc8 {-3.41/18 2} 55. Ke3 {+11.14/18 1} Rd8 {-4.27/20 1} 56. Nxf6+
{+12.76/20 2} Bxf6 {+4.20/19 0} 57. Rxd8+ {-5.85/14 1} Kxd8 {0.00/1 0} 58.
Bd4 {-5.86/16 1} Bxd4+ {+6.12/20 2} 59. Kxd4 {-5.78/15 1} Rc7 {+6.50/19 1}
60. b5 {-5.65/15 1} Ke8 {+7.12/20 2} 61. b6 {-9.45/16 2} Rc6 {+7.58/20 2}
62. b7 {-11.30/17 2} Rb6 {+12.16/22 1} 63. Kd3 {-11.91/16 2 Arena
Adjudication} 0-1

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Interesting, even w/o feeding the whole game for populating the hashtables, but just giving the fen to it,
the move appears (quickly though at depth 18). This was the version w/o popcnt in WB 4.91 dev with default settings.

[d]3rk2b/1r2p2p/4Pp1P/2BN1Pp1/pP1R2P1/P3K3/8/8 w - - 3 56

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 20	+12.72 	4.40M  	0:22.30	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8d8 b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3d4 b5b8 d4c4 b8d8 d5d8 e8d8 c4b5 d8c7 b5a4 c7c6 a4b4 c6c7 b4c4 time 22303 nodes 4400588 nps 197000 hashfull 124
 20	+12.72 	4.39M  	0:22.27	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8d8 b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3d4 b5b8 d4c4 b8b7 d5d3 b7c7 c4b5 c7b7 b5a4 h8g7 h6g7 b7a7 c5a7 time 22271 nodes 4394149 nps 197000 hashfull 123
 20	+12.52 	4.21M  	0:21.32	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8d8 d5c3 b7b8 d4d8 b8d8 c3b5 d8d1 e3f3 d1d3 f3e4 d3d2 b5c7 e8d8 e6e7 d8c7 e7e8r time 21328 nodes 4205550 nps 197000 hashfull 119
 20	+12.62 	4.13M  	0:20.96	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8d8 d5c3 b7b8 d4d8 b8d8 c3b5 d8d1 b5d6 e8f8 d6e4 f8e8 e4d6 e8f8 d6e4 f8e8 e4d6 time 20969 nodes 4133734 nps 197000 hashfull 117
 19	+12.72 	3.76M  	0:19.31	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8d8 b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3d4 b5b7 d4c4 b7c7 c4b5 c7c8 c5b4 c8d8 d5d8 e8d8 b5a4 d8c7 time 19317 nodes 3763359 nps 194000 hashfull 112
 19	+12.76 	3.46M  	0:17.92	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 b6c4 d8d4 e3d4 e8d8 c4d6 b7c7 d4c4 h8g7 h6g7 h7h5 g7g8q d8e7 time 17924 nodes 3460810 nps 193000 hashfull 103
 19	+12.36 	3.03M  	0:15.60	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 b7b8 a4c3 d8c7 e3d3 b8a8 b4b5 c7c8 a3a4 c8d8 c5b6 d8e7 b6c5 e7e8 b5b6 a8d8 d3e4 time 15609 nodes 3028137 nps 193000 hashfull 90
 19	+12.06 	2.75M  	0:14.10	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 b7b8 a4c3 d8c7 b4b5 b8c8 c3d5 c7b7 e3d4 c8a8 d4c4 h8g7 time 14109 nodes 2748024 nps 194000 hashfull 81
 19	+11.86 	2.38M  	0:12.18	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 d8c7 e3d4 c7c8 d4e4 c8d8 e4d5 b7a7 c5a7 d8e7 time 12189 nodes 2376470 nps 194000 hashfull 70
 19	+11.76 	2.29M  	0:11.74	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 d8c7 e3d4 c7c8 d4e4 c8d8 e4d5 b7b4 a3b4 d8e8 time 11745 nodes 2285067 nps 194000 hashfull 67
 18	+11.66 	2.01M  	0:10.29	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 d8c7 e3d4 c7c6 e6e7 b7b8 d4c4 b8e8 b4b5 c6c7 a4c3 time 10296 nodes 2008809 nps 195000 hashfull 58
 18	+11.48 	1.89M  	0:09.70	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 d8e8 e3d4 e8d8 c5b6 b7b6 a4b6 d8c7 b6d5 c7d6 time 9702 nodes 1894592 nps 195000 hashfull 55
 18	+10.68 	1.64M  	0:08.35	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d5b6 c8d8 d4d8 e8d8 b6a4 d8e8 e3d4 b7f7 e6f7 e8d7 time 8357 nodes 1641790 nps 196000 hashfull 46
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 18	+9.38 	1.34M  	0:06.79	d5e7 d8b8 e7d5 b8c8 d4d1 c8b8 e3d4 b8d8 d4c4 d8b8 c4d4 b8d8 d4c4 d8b8 c4d4 time 6798 nodes 1343429 nps 197000 hashfull 36
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 18	+9.35 	952581	0:04.90	b4b5 b7b8 b5b6 d8c8 c5e7 c8c1 e7f6 c1c3 d5c3 b8b6 f6h8 e8f8 time 4908 nodes 952581 nps 194000 hashfull 27
 18	+9.05 	1.12M  	0:05.67	d5f6 h8f6 d4d8 e8d8 c5b6 b7b6 e3d2 b6e6 b4b5 e6d6 d2e2 d6e6 e2f3 e6e3 f3e3 d8e8 e3f3 e8f8 f3g3 f6e5 g3f3 f8e8 f3e3 e5d4 e3d4 e7e6 f5e6 time 5670 nodes 1123146 nps 198000 hashfull 29
 18	+9.25 	1.10M  	0:05.54	d5f6 h8f6 d4d8 e8d8 c5b6 b7b6 e3d2 b6e6 f5e6 f6c3 d2c3 d8c7 c3d4 c7c6 d4e4 c6c7 b4b5 c7d8 e4d3 d8c7 d3e4 c7d8 e4d3 d8c7 d3e4 time 5545 nodes 1096667 nps 197000 hashfull 28
 18	+8.88 	1.17M  	0:05.87	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3d4 b5b2 d4e4 b2b5 d5d8 e8d8 c5e3 time 5877 nodes 1166240 nps 198000 hashfull 30
 17	+9.25 	931480	0:04.79	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 b7b5 d5c7 e8d8 c7b5 c8c5 a4a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 time 4799 nodes 931480 nps 194000 hashfull 26
 17	+9.42 	824970	0:04.24	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 b7b5 d5c7 e8d8 c7b5 c8c5 a4a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 time 4242 nodes 824970 nps 194000 hashfull 23
 17	+9.82 	805013	0:04.14	b4b5 d8c8 d5c7 b7c7 d4d1 time 4149 nodes 805013 nps 194000 hashfull 23
 17	+10.12 	791203	0:04.08	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 b7b5 d5c7 e8d8 c7b5 c8c5 a4a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 c5c8 a8a7 c8c5 a7a8 time 4086 nodes 791203 nps 193000 hashfull 22
 17	+10.32 	690934	0:03.64	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 e8f8 b5b6 c8e8 e3e4 e8b8 e4d4 f8e8 d4e4 e8f8 e4d4 f8e8 d4e4 e8f8 time 3647 nodes 690934 nps 189000 hashfull 19
 17	+10.22 	656010	0:03.47	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 e8d8 a4c4 d8e8 b5b6 c8d8 d5c7 e8f8 a3a4 b7b8 a4a5 b8c8 a5a6 d8d1 a6a7 time 3470 nodes 656010 nps 189000 hashfull 18
 16	+10.12 	577739	0:03.06	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 b7b5 d5c7 e8d8 c7b5 c8c5 a4a8 c5c8 a8a7 d8e8 e3d3 e8f8 a3a4 c8d8 d3e4 time 3065 nodes 577739 nps 188000 hashfull 16
 16	+10.06 	487123	0:02.61	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 e8d8 a4c4 d8e8 b5b6 c8d8 d5c7 e8f8 a3a4 f8g8 c5e7 d8d1 c7d5 b7b6 d5b6 time 2615 nodes 487123 nps 186000 hashfull 15
 16	+9.86 	387431	0:02.07	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3e4 b5b1 d5d7 b1e1 e4f3 e8f8 c5e7 f8e8 e7c5 e1f1 f3e4 f1f4 e4d5 f4g4 time 2076 nodes 387431 nps 186000 hashfull 11
 16	+9.76 	343054	0:01.84	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3e4 b5b7 d5d4 b7c7 d4b4 c7c8 b4b7 c8c6 b7e7 e8f8 time 1840 nodes 343054 nps 186000 hashfull 10
 15	+9.66 	287732	0:01.53	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3e4 b5a5 e4d4 a5a8 d5d7 a8d8 d7d8 e8d8 d4c4 d8c7 c5e7 c7c6 time 1537 nodes 287732 nps 187000 hashfull 8
 15	+9.27 	219305	0:01.20	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 e8d8 a4c4 d8e8 a3a4 b7b8 d5e7 b8b7 time 1207 nodes 219305 nps 181000 hashfull 6
 15	+8.97 	204658	0:01.13	b4b5 d8c8 d4a4 b7b5 d5c7 e8d8 c7b5 c8c5 a4a8 c5c8 a8a7 d8e8 a3a4 c8c3 e3e2 e8f8 time 1134 nodes 204658 nps 180000 hashfull 5
 15	+8.77 	172476	0:00.95	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3e4 b5a5 e4d4 a5a8 d4c4 e8f8 d5d7 a8c8 c4b5 c8d8 time 954 nodes 172476 nps 180000 hashfull 4
 15	+8.67 	166604	0:00.92	b4b5 d8d5 d4d5 b7b5 e3e4 b5b7 d5d4 b7b5 d4a4 e8d8 a4a8 d8c7 a8h8 b5c5 h8h7 c5e5 e4f3 time 925 nodes 166604 nps 180000 hashfull 4
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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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After ONLY ( :lol: ) 19 games in my test, Orion 0.8 x64 pop-avx-fma Cerebrum shows +92 Elo face to Cheng 4.39 x64 ..........so, around 3034 El0 (+297 Elo face to Orion 0.7 handcrafted evaluation) !

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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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Gabor Szots wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 pm +200 is probable, looking at the standings of my ongoing gauntlet. However, in this game, at move 56, something unexpected happened (unfortunately no debug is available).

[pgn][Event "Orion 0.8 64-bit - Dec 2"]
[Site "Szentendre"]
[Date "2020.12.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Orion 0.8 64-bit"]
[Black "DiscoCheck 5.2.1 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B09"]
[Opening "Pirc"]
[Time "11:54:03"]
[Variation "Austrian, 5...O-O 6.Bd3 Nc6"]
[TimeControl "120+1"]
[PlyCount "125"]

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. h3
{+0.48/12 2} Nb4 {-0.11/17 5} 8. Be3 {+0.50/13 3} Nxd3+ {-0.07/15 5} 9.
Qxd3 {+0.49/13 2} d5 {+0.13/18 4} 10. e5 {+0.89/16 2} Bf5 {-0.18/19 5} 11.
Qe2 {+1.19/17 2} Ne4 {-0.21/19 4} 12. Nxe4 {+1.19/17 2} Bxe4 {-0.22/16 2}
13. Ng5 {+1.19/15 3} Bf5 {-0.10/18 4} 14. g4 {+1.24/14 2} Bd7 {-0.19/17 4}
15. O-O-O {+1.36/13 3} a5 {-0.17/16 4} 16. Nf3 {+1.40/12 2} b5 {-0.16/15 4}
17. f5 {+1.87/13 3} b4 {-0.07/16 4} 18. Rdg1 {+1.71/13 3} a4 {+0.13/16 3}
19. h4 {+1.59/12 2} b3 {-0.22/16 3} 20. a3 {+2.20/13 2} bxc2 {-0.63/16 3}
21. h5 {+2.61/12 1} Qb8 {-0.63/16 3} 22. Qxc2 {+2.34/11 1} Ra6 {-0.38/16 4}
23. Bd2 {+1.90/11 2} Qb5 {-0.23/14 3} 24. Bb4 {+2.19/12 2} Rc6 {-0.29/16 3}
25. Bc5 {+2.32/13 1} Rb8 {-0.17/16 3} 26. h6 {+2.22/14 1} Bh8 {-0.38/16 3}
27. Rh2 {+2.29/12 2} Qb3 {-0.22/17 3} 28. Qxb3 {+2.51/16 1} Rxb3 {-0.32/18
1} 29. Rf2 {+2.69/14 1} Rb8 {-0.51/18 3} 30. Rc2 {+3.58/13 1} Re8 {-0.27/17
2} 31. Rc3 {+3.75/15 3} Bc8 {-0.33/17 2} 32. Kd2 {+4.01/15 1} Ba6 {-0.27/17
2} 33. b4 {+3.81/17 2} Bb5 {-0.48/16 2} 34. Rh1 {+4.20/14 2} Ra6 {-0.59/18
2} 35. Ke3 {+4.23/17 2} Bd7 {-0.43/17 2} 36. Rg1 {+4.24/17 1} Bb5 {-0.46/17
2} 37. Kf2 {+4.23/16 2} Rc6 {-0.44/18 2} 38. Re3 {+4.26/16 2} Bc4 {-0.71/18
2} 39. Rc3 {+4.25/18 1} Bb5 {-0.72/18 2} 40. Rh1 {+4.26/16 2} Ra6 {-0.83/18
2} 41. Rh3 {+4.27/17 1} f6 {-0.83/17 3} 42. e6 {+4.60/18 2} g5 {-0.54/22 2}
43. Rh1 {+4.60/18 1} c6 {-0.54/26 2} 44. Rhc1 {+4.54/19 2} Kf8 {-0.50/27 2}
45. Re3 {+4.54/19 1} Rb8 {-0.51/28 2} 46. Ng1 {+4.49/19 1} Rb7 {-0.51/27 2}
47. Ne2 {+4.51/20 2} Bc4 {-0.55/27 2} 48. Rxc4 {+5.29/20 1} dxc4 {-1.13/23
1} 49. Rc3 {+5.64/22 2} Ra8 {-1.45/22 2} 50. Rxc4 {+5.83/22 1} Ke8
{-1.69/24 2} 51. d5 {+7.05/20 2} cxd5 {-1.73/22 0} 52. Rd4 {+7.55/20 1} Rc8
{-1.84/22 1} 53. Nc3 {+8.33/19 2} Rd8 {-2.33/23 1} 54. Nxd5 {+9.33/19 1}
Rc8 {-3.41/18 2} 55. Ke3 {+11.14/18 1} Rd8 {-4.27/20 1} 56. Nxf6+
{+12.76/20 2} Bxf6 {+4.20/19 0} 57. Rxd8+ {-5.85/14 1} Kxd8 {0.00/1 0} 58.
Bd4 {-5.86/16 1} Bxd4+ {+6.12/20 2} 59. Kxd4 {-5.78/15 1} Rc7 {+6.50/19 1}
60. b5 {-5.65/15 1} Ke8 {+7.12/20 2} 61. b6 {-9.45/16 2} Rc6 {+7.58/20 2}
62. b7 {-11.30/17 2} Rb6 {+12.16/22 1} 63. Kd3 {-11.91/16 2 Arena
Adjudication} 0-1

[/pgn]
With feeding the whole game in 1-3s steps for filling in hash entries until move 55.
(Exact reproducing probably impossible due to different timings etc.)
Here it appears even for a smaller time frame at depth 16.

It seems it was quite unlucky that the move was played, but it should be noted that it appears
also at around 1 second (1.02s, at 1.30s it is gone) of thinking - the same time the move was played in your game.

from cleaned up debug (removed stats and fail low/highs etc.), this time with hash 256MB

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180598 >first : usermove 180598 >first : c8d8
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184149 <first :  17    1074    353     700623 e3e4 d8c8 c5e7 c8c1 e7f6 c1e1 e4f3 h8f6 d5f6 e8e7 f6h7 e1f1 f3g2 f1a1 h7g5 a1a3 g5e4 time 3538 nodes 700623 nps 198000 hashfull 841
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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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Wow, a great thank to both of you for spotting and trying to reproduce this strange behavior. I don't have time right now to investigate (lunch time), but I will for sure. More generally, except that case and a probable weakness in endgames (due to the Syzygy removing and probably to the training data which were unbalanced in number of middle/endgame positions), I hope these first (very good) results will be confimed !
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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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After 65 games : +156............near 3100 Elo points !

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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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I look forward to playing and testing this engine. Congrats on the release. Curious, why did you remove syzygy support?
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Re: Orion 0.8 + The Cerebrum release

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jshriver wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:32 pm I look forward to playing and testing this engine. Congrats on the release. Curious, why did you remove syzygy support?
Thanks for your interest ! I (temporarily) disabled Syzygy support as I was curious to see how the sole neural network would perform without endgame "assistance".