M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?

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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?

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Steppenwolf wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:50 am Dear Acepoint,

thank you for providing the mac-Community with macOS builds.

Please can you add on your homepage also the macOS (Big Sur; 11.2.3) for CuteChess for Intel processors?
I do not have the lastest M1 Mac.

Thanks in advance,
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https://github.com/QueensGambit/cuteche ... /tag/1.2.0 Cutechess 1.2 for Intel macs
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Great Thanks!
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AlexChess wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:02 am 91° Celsius with BanksiaGui engines/engines matches after only 10 minutes ...Just a little worried :?
I think it's normal especially on the Air. The firmware just lets the temperature increase until it hits the limit around 90C and then starts throttling only as much as needed.

The 5800X is similar but the other way around: it just keeps increasing voltage to get a few extra MHz until it hits >90C. Reviewers observed the same, the chips can just run really hot. But they're just designed that way, it's pointless to obsess over the temperatures.
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:51 pm The 5800X is similar but the other way around: it just keeps increasing voltage to get a few extra MHz until it hits >90C. Reviewers observed the same, the chips can just run really hot. But they're just designed that way, it's pointless to obsess over the temperatures.
Yes I saw this a little while back from AMD which I think is referring to Zen 3 (but could be Zen 2, or both)

http://computerchess.org.uk/engines/Zen ... _chart.png
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:51 pm
AlexChess wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:02 am 91° Celsius with BanksiaGui engines/engines matches after only 10 minutes ...Just a little worried :?
I think it's normal especially on the Air. The firmware just lets the temperature increase until it hits the limit around 90C and then starts throttling only as much as needed.

The 5800X is similar but the other way around: it just keeps increasing voltage to get a few extra MHz until it hits >90C. Reviewers observed the same, the chips can just run really hot. But they're just designed that way, it's pointless to obsess over the temperatures.
91° Celsius with 4 CPUs (65°-75°using 2 CPUs) I have a Mac mini M1, so there is the fan, but since tournaments overcharges it for days, I don't like to risk.
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AlexChess wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:23 pm
91° Celsius with 4 CPUs (65°-75°using 2 CPUs) I have a Mac mini M1, so there is the fan, but since tournaments overcharges it for days, I don't like to risk.
I think that is wise, I wouldn't either. It isn't just the CPU, that heat must escape into the other internals of the laptop and make everything a bit warm ? Laptops just aren't meant for continuous heavy loading for hours and hours on end (my opinion). Sure some of the gaming laptops are built for it, but even then not for 24/7.
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Modern Times wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:57 pm
AlexChess wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:23 pm
91° Celsius with 4 CPUs (65°-75°using 2 CPUs) I have a Mac mini M1, so there is the fan, but since tournaments overcharges it for days, I don't like to risk.
I think that is wise, I wouldn't either. It isn't just the CPU, that heat must escape into the other internals of the laptop and make everything a bit warm ? Laptops just aren't meant for continuous heavy loading for hours and hours on end (my opinion). Sure some of the gaming laptops are built for it, but even then not for 24/7.
I know, but I cannot buy a 10000€ Mac Pro to play chess :D
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AlexChess wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:15 pm
I know, but I cannot buy a 10000€ Mac Pro to play chess :D
Indeed !!
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just fixed my engine to be able to compile for M1 and to my astonishment the raw nps is 1.65 times my Ryzen 7 2700X desktop (while installing xcode in the background and running on battery)
multi-threaded performance will likely be slower due to slow cores, but still - I'm impressed that basically a mobile CPU owns my desktop, also 15W vs 105W...
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mar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:47 pm just fixed my engine to be able to compile for M1 and to my astonishment the raw nps is 1.65 times my Ryzen 7 2700X desktop (while installing xcode in the background and running on battery)
multi-threaded performance will likely be slower due to slow cores, but still - I'm impressed that basically a mobile CPU owns my desktop, also 15W vs 105W...
Wow!
Please share it here :)
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