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by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:34 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Allow me to disagree. Since the games are the same engine against itself, your matches do not show anything directly about scalability, other than perhaps a second order effect. The lower margins of superiority might simply be a result of more draws. Allow me to disagree. Grant's results. :lol: 10....
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:15 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Lasko's Law----What's not clear? 3 doublings in cores mean nowadays at least 2.5 real effective doublings in TC. Each effective doubling in TC in these blitz conditions means at very least 40 Elo points, therefore at very least 80 Elo points 1 core -> 8 cores. In fact more likely 120 - 140 Elo point...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:59 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

Following the link to your tests I noticed you were playing the same engine against itself I think. My match was SF-NNUE vs SF11, so they are not the same. Might that account for the different results? Here is the current standing in your test. Stockfish 251220(1 core) vs Stockfish 11(1 core) +11 =...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:39 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

Let me get this right. I posted data, you chimed in and gave a B.S. formula that NNUE clearly ignored in my posted data. And saying I was being deceitful. I post independent data from CCRL. Again showing NNUE ignores your scaling formula. And then you also trash CCRL testing. And now you want me to...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:31 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

The engine used was SF with NNUE. It scales fine. It does not matter how much it won by, just that it scaled reasonably. I don't know about other versions. Yes it does matter. It is not how NNUE behaves today. Under the same conditions as your test, right now SF 251220 is killing Stockfish 11 by ov...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:10 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

Engine was stockfish.avx2.halfkp_256x2-32-32.profile-nnue.2020-07-19.exe Net was gekkehenker2020-06-27.bin I will stop testing then. As this is not a engine we are talking about. I know something was not right. We are talking about at minimum Stockfish 12 NNUE. And Dragon NNUE.... Stockfish 12 will...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:55 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

This was the match command used for the 1 cpu games (IIRC): cutechess-cli -each tc=0:20+1.0 restart=on -engine conf=SF11 -engine conf=SF-NNUE -games 12000 -wait 1000 -ratinginterval 10 -tb E:/syzygy -tbpieces 6 -openings file=D:/Cutechess-cli/book_3moves_cp1-24_10944pos.pgn start=1 -repeat -concurr...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:12 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

it was SF-NNUE v SF-11 8 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 118 89 21.0 33 63.6 13 16 4 48.5 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 12.0 33 36.4 4 16 13 48.5 --- 4 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 58 44 58.0 100 58.0 27 62 11 62.0 100...
by mwyoung
Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:19 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

Both my testing and CCRL testing between SF NNUE, and Dragon NNUE have thousands of games. All showing the scaling issue with NNUE. Please post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sampl...
by mwyoung
Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:41 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: CCC has serious hardware update!
Replies: 108
Views: 19397

Re: CCC has serious hardware update!

Both my testing and CCRL testing between SF NNUE, and Dragon NNUE have thousands of games. All showing the scaling issue with NNUE. Please post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sampl...