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by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:17 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

:?: Testing Ethereal TCEC (2x128 NNUE) vs Ethereal Master (12.82, not NNUE) 10.0s+0.1s Ethereal-NNUE-1C vs Ethereal-1C : 1380 - 663 - 1457 [0.602] 3500 +72 Ethereal-NNUE-2C vs Ethereal-2C : 1925 - 797 - 2278 [0.613] 5000 +80 Ethereal-NNUE-4C vs Ethereal-4C : 370 - 169 - 461 [0.601] 1000 +71 This tes...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:05 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Sargon 1978 UCI Available
Replies: 170
Views: 73827

Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

I missed this at the time; Have any rated human players played games against Sargon on a modern computer to provide any data on the human rating it might earn today? If so at what time control? When Larry Kaufman takes an interest in your project you should definitely take note! So when I saw this ...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:07 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Stockfish gained an inordinate amount of strength with the introduction of NNUE, as did all engines which have followed in Stockfish's footsteps. Not Schooner, which attempted the CFish NNUE port. Schooner achieved a large -40 elo loss. Work on NNUE has been abandoned for the moment, but I may look...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:40 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: KomodoDragon brilliancy Ruy Lopez - Marshall! A marshall reborn?
Replies: 22
Views: 5731

Re: KomodoDragon brilliancy Ruy Lopez - Marshall! A marshall reborn?

This game is nice because I once thought Marshall was already analyzed to death and the consensus was that this openning just leads to draw. This is the reason why it is only played by black to hold a draw as seen in top GM's games. But not this time where SF 12 as white was crushed by black in a M...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:30 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

As that is what caused the change in the behavior. So this is not hard to deduce. What changed, what is different. NNUE was the common element. Well, there is something else that changed. The elo of the engines. NNUE is far stronger than non-NNUE. NNUE does not exist in a vacuum, and I don't see ho...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:41 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

I have no answers. I will leave it to you. You are the programmer! NNUE has it own way of behaving. And this is just not with SF NNUE, but also Dragon NNUE. What do they have in common that is not in your engine. If you have no explanation, how can you attribute what you see to NNUE? Maybe its abou...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:18 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Stockfish 11 with a classical evaluation obeys Lasko's Law. But assuming Stockfish 12 a hybrid with the new NN evaluation will also obey Stockfish's classical pattern was in error. Stockfish 12 does not obey Lasko's Law. Okay. You posted everything finally :) So can you explain to me why Ethereal N...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:07 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Stockfish 11 with a classical evaluation obeys Lasko's Law. But assuming Stockfish 12 a hybrid with the new NN evaluation will also obey Stockfish's classical pattern was in error. Stockfish 12 does not obey Lasko's Law. Okay. You posted everything finally :) So can you explain to me why Ethereal N...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:01 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Stockfish 11 with a classical evaluation obeys Lasko's Law. But assuming Stockfish 12 a hybrid with the new NN evaluation will also obey Stockfish's classical pattern was in error. Stockfish 12 does not obey Lasko's Law. Okay. You posted everything finally :) So can you explain to me why Ethereal N...
by mwyoung
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:44 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis
Replies: 39
Views: 10083

Re: Dispelling the Myth of NNUE with LazySMP: An Analysis

Grant's results look like perfectly fine scaling to me... What am I missing? You need to stay off the bottle. You have a short term memory issue. "Since the games are the same engine against itself, your matches do not show anything directly about scalability" Ethereal-NNUE-2C vs Ethereal-NNUE-1C: ...