And the more you have, the less it means...Modern Times wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:42 pmThey don't. Anyone else can make their own World Championship, e.g. the TCEC Chess World Championship, CCC Chess World Championship, etc etc
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And the more you have, the less it means...Modern Times wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:42 pmThey don't. Anyone else can make their own World Championship, e.g. the TCEC Chess World Championship, CCC Chess World Championship, etc etc
It's not about rights, there are not any, but about image. It looks much better if the WCCC goes as an official extension of a 50 year organization than just people who rob it.
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"I think this about finishing a journey that started ~50 years ago", as in "doing the Compostela". haha!
Hehe, pack Ed and HGM into your van, and do a little founders tour
Then in contrast, there's the old adage, "If you're not in it, you can't win it."Viz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:17 am WCCC analogue to football will be to play 1 minute games so any team that is somewhat competent will draw every other team.
And then go to tie breakers which feature 1 penalty shot from only 1 side - if they score they win, if they don't score they lose.
Would be a great tournament with a lot of meaning indeed.
The reason why everyone sees it as only shitty tournament nowadays is because modern chess engine development isn't about science, it's about engineering. All innovations in past decades were not created/discussed at ICGA events, they were made by enthusiasts at fishtest and openbench.CRoberson wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:04 pm There are two groups: the people that understand the meaning behind the ICGA events and the people that don't (end users).
The event has never been to decide which is the best software for an end user.
It has always been an event to stimulate scientific research in the field. A computer scientist is far more than the average programmer.
The algorithms for parallelizing chess programs were invented and used in the ICGA event before the PCs ever had more than one processor.
Lots of things were developed at least in part for this event. It has been about what is the best possible chess playing entity combination of HW and SW.
There have been supercomputers, FPGA systems, grid systems ...
It is about pushing the envelope of the science! Thus it gives us unlimited imagination tob develop something new.
CCRL, CEGT, TCEC and the rest don't do that.
The reason d'etre of the ICGA events is completely different from that of the end user test groups and it is obvious that many end users don't come close to understanding that.