Syzygy / egbb discussion

[Daniel Shawul]

Haha hell will break loose before I send an email to request for my code to someone else. If you want to send it just send it, no need to be beurocratic.

[Daniel Shawul]

Well it is the _same_ result according to kai's test.
Yes we know the techniques are different because you have an 'awesome' compression, 'awesome' non-existent cach, 'awesome' threading which addeded up to _awesome_+fail.

Time to produce games your self or zip it.

[syzygy]

Well it is the _same_ result according to kai's test.
Yes we know the techniques are different because you have an 'awesome' compression, 'awesome' non-existent cach, 'awesome' threading which addeded up to _awesome_+fail.

Time to produce games your self or zip it.

Zip what. I never made any claims. You should grow up and from now on I will let my code speak for itself.

[Daniel Shawul]

Well it is the _same_ result according to kai's test.
Yes we know the techniques are different because you have an 'awesome' compression, 'awesome' non-existent cach, 'awesome' threading which addeded up to _awesome_+fail.

Time to produce games your self or zip it.

Zip what. I never made any claims. You should grow up and from now on I will let my code speak for itself.

That is the point I am trying to get across to you. You are totally convinced your code (solution) is superior to any existing solution. The fact is there is no new concept threre, just different implementation, and it produced exactly the same result as evidenced by kai's result which is the *bottomline*. And all that while requiring DTZ, one would say what a waste of space that 80GB is becaue it produce 0 elos.

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 72&t=49684

So I say don't let your code speak for you but the results. Produce one if you will because we saw the above so far.

[gotogo]

Ofcourse Toga and others implemented it correctly

Daniel if the above statement is true then be happy they still use scorpio bases... the rest of us don't mind using that extra 80 gig found with syz bases.

[JuLieN]

[moderation]
I've split the topic to make the hijacked part a thread of its own and removed an insulting post.
Please, remain civil in this thread.

[Laskos]

Just tested Toga II v3.0 with Scorpio EGBBs (cache 128M), at 15+0.15 TC, LOS 99.9% stopping:

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    Program                              Score     %     Elo    +   -    Draws

  1 Toga Scorpio                   : 1931.0/3736  51.7     6    8   8   45.0 %
  2 Toga                           : 1805.0/3736  48.3    -6    8   8   45.0 %

12 +/- 8 Elo points benefit for Scorpio EGBBs. By now I tested Nalimov TBs (0+/-2), Shreddder EGBBs (14+/-8), Scorpio EGBBs (12+/-8) and Syzygy TBs (15+/-8). Within error margins, well implemented EGBBs give the same benefit as Syzygy TBs (at least to 3-4-5 men).

[Daniel Shawul]

Just tested Toga II v3.0 with Scorpio EGBBs (cache 128M), at 15+0.15 TC, LOS 99.9% stopping:

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    Program                              Score     %     Elo    +   -    Draws

  1 Toga Scorpio                   : 1931.0/3736  51.7     6    8   8   45.0 %
  2 Toga                           : 1805.0/3736  48.3    -6    8   8   45.0 %

12 +/- 8 Elo points benefit for Scorpio EGBBs. By now I tested Nalimov TBs (0+/-2), Shreddder EGBBs (14+/-8), Scorpio EGBBs (12+/-8) and Syzygy TBs (15+/-8). Within error margins, well implemented EGBBs give the same benefit as Syzygy TBs (at least to 3-4-5 men).

Thanks Kai! I think everyone with an open mind should see the truth by now. This EGTB frenzy may make one think chess is about to be solved or something. I would like to get back to something else, but I will not rely on someone not saying 'This EGTB is better than anything out there', without providing DATA ( a keyword that has been missing ).

I mean we all had our funs while constructing them and testing and stuff. But arguing endlessly without providing data is not only pointless but also disrespectful for those who probably have better knowledge of EGTBs but prefer not to discuss. Why the arroganace, i don't know.

[Ryan Benitez]

Just tested Toga II v3.0 with Scorpio EGBBs (cache 128M), at 15+0.15 TC, LOS 99.9% stopping:

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    Program                              Score     %     Elo    +   -    Draws

  1 Toga Scorpio                   : 1931.0/3736  51.7     6    8   8   45.0 %
  2 Toga                           : 1805.0/3736  48.3    -6    8   8   45.0 %

12 +/- 8 Elo points benefit for Scorpio EGBBs. By now I tested Nalimov TBs (0+/-2), Shreddder EGBBs (14+/-8), Scorpio EGBBs (12+/-8) and Syzygy TBs (15+/-8). Within error margins, well implemented EGBBs give the same benefit as Syzygy TBs (at least to 3-4-5 men).

Thank you for the data. As expected they are all within margin of error of being the same. Now maybe someone can explain to me what new problem Syzygy fixes and why I should invest an extra 80gb of space.

[syzygy]

why I should invest an extra 80gb of space.

Compared to?