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Well, after a lot of searching around I finally found your broadcast on PlayChess. (Hannibal playing.) Had to download 70MB for it!Graham Banks wrote:Broadcasts are in the broadcast room, not in the engine room.
Yes, the client is about 70MB. Bear in mind, it also supports the multimedia for the online video broadcasts among other things. In any case, I had no trouble seeing the evals, depths, times, and expected moves. Here is the game score I got by pressing Ctrl-C:hgm wrote:Well, after a lot of searching around I finally found your broadcast on PlayChess. (Hannibal playing.) Had to download 70MB for it!Graham Banks wrote:Broadcasts are in the broadcast room, not in the engine room.
I could not see any engine-kibitzed scores and PVs. In addition it would not let me chat.
This makes it as good as useless...
You are aware he is running those game in ChessGUI and not Playchess/Fritz, right?hgm wrote:But that is in the PGN. You don't expect me to copy-paste a a PGN to an editor each move, do you? I want to see them changing automatically in the display. Even those at lower depth that what it finally reached, if the engine give those.
And I want to see the entire PV, not just one move of it. And not just as text (I hate reading SAN), but I want to be able to play through it on the variation board.
As I said, there are communications softwares to communicate two interfaces as already advertised here. If you wish to take issue with every aspect that is different, the list can be lengthened much more, as the choices are certainly less detailed. Playchess is NOT Winboard, nor FICS.hgm wrote:Yes, I am aware of that. But I am not aware of the significance.
Are you saying there would be live display of PVs if he were running in Fritz?
(This was possible when the ChessGUI games were broadcasted through TLCS/TLCV...)
And that I could play through those PVs on a variation board in that case?
And would you expect all participants to CCT to use Fritz?
) and start it from the menu item the installer creates. Thy ask for the games in the tourney by clicking a menu, and they then click on the game they want to watch. (You could actually watch two games at the same time in WinBoard, but that is largely experimental.) No 'endless command-line instructions'. None at all, actually, except that you have to type your name.Yes, the things that are important is indeed the question.hgm wrote:Well, I take issue with the things that are IMPORTANT. As a spectator at a computer match, that is (after seeing the moves) seeing the scores and PVs during the game. See what the machines are thinking about. And of course discuss them with their author or other members of the audience. That is all the fun. Otherwise I might as well download a set of games some tester posts.
Those are the things I was describing here. And the discription did not involve any command-line options at all. People would simply download and install WinBoard 4.7.0, (2.5MB, not 70!
But it seems that on PlayChess you can do NONE OF THAT. What you propose would basically throw us back into the stone age. So you should not be surprised we are less than enthusiastic. So far I have not seen any advantages mentioned here, other than the larger audience. But that seems only an advantage for that audience, not for me... Interfaces for FICS are available for many platforms, and on most platforms there is even a wide choice of interfaces. This is actually one of the weakest points of PlayChess.
The idea that participants should use unproven / non-existing software to connect their engines is not very realistic, to put it mildly. The software we have seen rumors of would not even communicate depth/score or the expected move, so those could then not even appear in the PGN. And as I understand it, even with that hypothetical software they would still need a commercial Fritz...