Proposing: The REAL World Computer Chess Championship

[Peter Skinner]

All this tournament is for is to feed the ego and wallet of the person who runs it.

Then how about you do it? I would love just watching the event instead of working it.

Peter

[hgm]

Indeed, a playoff of four would be much better. I would prefer a round-robin over knock-out, though. For more game diversity. With only four even 1 vs 4 should not be a walk-over.

[Dan Honeycutt]

All this tournament is for is to feed the ego and wallet of the person who runs it.

Then how about you do it? I would love just watching the event instead of working it.

Peter

Noise, Peter, not worth listening to. You deserve a lot of kudos for running these tournaments. Keep up the good work.

Best
Dan H.

[Peter Skinner]

Indeed, a playoff of four would be much better. I would prefer a round-robin over knock-out, though. For more game diversity. With only four even 1 vs 4 should not be a walk-over.

Ok then the question remains, allow Houdini and Rybka to play?

I vote yes because if you are trying to find out who the best of the best is, then you have to have the best of the best playing. If you exclude two of the top 5 programs in the World, then the Championship will remain in doubt.

Anything can happen in a 9 round event, so it is not guaranteed they would be one of the 4 qualifiers...

Other question: Do we have entry fees?

Unless we have a good sponsor, who else will pay for the event. We will obviously want GM/IM commentators, and those cost money. I tried in previous CCT's to get one to do it for free and that boat ain't sailing.

Peter

[Dan Honeycutt]

Indeed, a playoff of four would be much better. I would prefer a round-robin over knock-out, though. For more game diversity. With only four even 1 vs 4 should not be a walk-over.

Ok then the question remains, allow Houdini and Rybka to play?

I vote yes because if you are trying to find out who the best of the best is, then you have to have the best of the best playing. If you exclude two of the top 5 programs in the World, then the Championship will remain in doubt.

Anything can happen in a 9 round event, so it is not guaranteed they would be one of the 4 qualifiers...

Other question: Do we have entry fees?

Unless we have a good sponsor, who else will pay for the event. We will obviously want GM/IM commentators, and those cost money. I tried in previous CCT's to get one to do it for free and that boat ain't sailing.

Peter

I like Alex's suggestion for eligibility: 2 years existence and tested by at least 2 of the established rating groups. (so that is yes to Rybka and Houdini).

Entry fee: $100

One version of a program. Author has first rights to enter his program. If author doesn't want/is unable to enter then anyone else (first to put up the fee) can enter it.

Author only may enter a development version of their program. Anyone else entering the program must use a version tested by aforementioned rating groups.

Get rid of the "REAL" in the name. Sounds like kids on the playground, my daddy can beat up your daddy. Something like you had before, Internet World Computer Championship or Internet Computer Chess Championship is better.

Best
Dan H.

P.S. I don't plan on entering but if anyone wants to enter Bruja for the fun of it I'll pay the entry fee.

[gerold]

Indeed, a playoff of four would be much better. I would prefer a round-robin over knock-out, though. For more game diversity. With only four even 1 vs 4 should not be a walk-over.

Ok then the question remains, allow Houdini and Rybka to play?

I vote yes because if you are trying to find out who the best of the best is, then you have to have the best of the best playing. If you exclude two of the top 5 programs in the World, then the Championship will remain in doubt.

Anything can happen in a 9 round event, so it is not guaranteed they would be one of the 4 qualifiers...

Other question: Do we have entry fees?

Unless we have a good sponsor, who else will pay for the event. We will obviously want GM/IM commentators, and those cost money. I tried in previous CCT's to get one to do it for free and that boat ain't sailing.

Peter

Sure allow Rybka and Houdini. If someone doesn't enter because of those two in the game. So what. Computer chess moves on.
Make the fees as low as possible for this first time.
Maybe for the first event forget about GM/IM unless a couple want to do it for free. This is a first time event make it work. Iron out any mistakes and hold another one later if this one shows promise.
If you don't do it someone else will later.

Best,
Gerold.

[hgm]

Ok then the question remains, allow Houdini and Rybka to play?

It does not really matter. When you allow the Rybka cluster, Houdini will not want to play (plus a host of others).

Only if a prize fund of $100,000 could probably cure that. Without it you won't be able to do any better that WCCC. In fact it is likely that CCT will go the same way as the Leiden tournaments, becasue of this.

[gleperlier]

All this tournament is for is to feed the ego and wallet of the person who runs it.

Please.... do it yourself and make the money if you can.

[Dan Honeycutt]

Ok then the question remains, allow Houdini and Rybka to play?

It does not really matter. When you allow the Rybka cluster, Houdini will not want to play (plus a host of others).

Only if a prize fund of $100,000 could probably cure that. Without it you won't be able to do any better that WCCC. In fact it is likely that CCT will go the same way as the Leiden tournaments, becasue of this.

If he plays I take my toys home is the reason I proposed to allow the engine to be entered by someone other than the author if the author declines. That should insure that all the top engines are represented. If Rybka cluster enters and Robert doesn't want to enter Houdini I guarantee you I'll enter it.

Best
Dan H.

[hgm]

Indeed, that would be a good system, and I proposed it once before. Some authors were very shocked by this, however. I never saw the logic of 'authors only'.

But this would not be legal for some programs, as the license agreement could forbid it. I don't know about Houdini, of course, but I am sure you could not enter Crafty, in case Bob would not enter it himself. GPLed programs would not be a problem, of course.