Illegal Arena hosting...

[tomgdrums]

Are your products of the same high quality as your chess engine ?

That's a pretty low blow Michael. I wouldn't have expected that from you. RedQueen is a fine engine and is getting stronger with each release.

Graham.

Actually that is exactly what I would have expected from Michael the arena guy. That is how he relates to everyone.

[bhlangonijr]

Hi,

As any civilised person should start a posting...

I am not a troublemaker, I just want that my work is cited accordingly, maybe you don't respect the work of your employers. I understand, everybody who disagrees with you is a troublemaker .

There is no problem about wanting your work cited accordingly. The problem is your childish behavior against that. Is that hard to understand?

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 And I wouldn't definitely hire someone like you 

Are your products of the same high quality as your chess engine ? Are you charging your clients while you write in this forum ? What my chess engine has to do with


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

I fail to understand what the quality of my chess engine has to do with the topic. I am glad to see that respected people in this community do not agree with you in this regard - people who effectively make contributions to the field.

Just a few points:
1) RedQueen is not a product. It is a work in progress I do in my spare time;
2) It might have a lot of bugs, but the one you pointed out is not a bug;
3) RedQueen is free & open source and everyone can have it, modify, distribute, host with another name (as long it follows the GPL), without even making me aware of that, and I would actually like to have it that way.

Regards,

[Christopher Conkie]

Hi,

As any civilised person should start a posting...

I am not a troublemaker, I just want that my work is cited accordingly, maybe you don't respect the work of your employers. I understand, everybody who disagrees with you is a troublemaker .

There is no problem about wanting your work cited accordingly. The problem is your childish behavior against that. Is that hard to understand?

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 And I wouldn't definitely hire someone like you 

Are your products of the same high quality as your chess engine ? Are you charging your clients while you write in this forum ? What my chess engine has to do with


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

I fail to understand what the quality of my chess engine has to do with the topic. I am glad to see that respected people in this community do not agree with you in this regard - people who effectively make contributions to the field.

Just a few points:
1) RedQueen is not a product. It is a work in progress I do in my spare time;
2) It might have a lot of bugs, but the one you pointed out is not a bug;
3) RedQueen is free & open source and everyone can have it, modify, distribute, host with another name (as long it follows the GPL), without even making me aware of that, and I would actually like to have it that way.

Regards,

I thought everyone liked long long threads about utter nonsense in here?

What's wrong? Is it childish because the "adult" you is not interested?

I'd shut up if I were you (but I'm not).

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


What is childish about wanting to be cited correctly, asked for permission and pointing out who doesn't respect the copyrights, it is not my fault it is done where it is done, as long as NOBODY there wants to cite it correctly. We at Arena cite everything and also ask everyone for permission (maybe this is the childish behaviour you are talking about). We also used to host the old Computer Chess ompnedium archive and asked for permission to host it.


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


So you don't like when someone points out what the engine is not able to do ?

We at Arena post own bugs on our page, that's the difference.

And who cares what you expect from me ? If you would pay for it it would be different but you don't, never did...


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[hgm]

Any decent engine would check the position...it is the first thing one does when implementing a chess program.

Where did you acquire this wisdom? How many Chess programs did you write any way?

I can assure you it is really the very last thing one would do, if one would do it at all. My programs only check if they are fed positions they cannot handle. And often they can handle anything, even multiple Kings and first-rank Pawns, so they only check for the position to fit on the board, and not contain unkown piece types.

Sometimes they don't even check the legality of the input move. Why should they, if you play them through a GUI? They are engines, not complete Chess programs, ind in standard Chess, where the GUI knows the rules, you will never get fed an illegal move. So testing for them is a 100% waste of time. And if the user disables legality checking and wants to play Qd1xe8 on the first move, well, why not? Let him try to mate me after that!

As far as I am concerned, handicapping a stronger player by giving him an extra King in stead of a Queen (under "first-King loses" rules), or playing with 8 Pawns + 7 Knights ves 8 Pawns + 3 Queens is a perfectly valid user desire, and engines that would reject it because they want to be pedantic about the rules, are crappy engine! My engines do nut suffer from such defects, when I can help it.

[Christopher Conkie]

Any decent engine would check the position...it is the first thing one does when implementing a chess program.

Where did you acquire this wisdom? How many Chess programs did you write any way?

I can assure you it is really the very last thing one would do, if one would do it at all. My programs only check if they are fed positions they cannot handle. And often they can handle anything, even multiple Kings and first-rank Pawns, so they only check for the position to fit on the board, and not contain unkown piece types.

Sometimes they don't even check the legality of the input move. Why should they, if you play them through a GUI. They are engines, not complete Chess programs, ind in standard Chess, where the GUI knows the rules, you will never get fed an illegal move. So testing for them is a 100% waste of time. And if the user disables legality checking and wants to play Qd1xe8 on the first move, well, why not? Let him try to mate me after that!

As far as I am concerned, handicapping a stronger player by giving him an extra King in stead of a Queen (under "first-King loses" rules), or playing with 8 Pawns + 7 Knights ves 8 Pawns + 3 Queens is a perfectly valid user desire, and engines that would reject it because they want to be pedantic about the rules, are crappy engine! My engines do nut suffer from such defects, when I can help it.

Its not about that HG. It is really about lack of permission. It is about taking the law into ones own hands. I am sure you can agree that those who would receive no support. Arena is not GPL. You cannot just put it somewhere without permission, The fact that most of these indiscretions happen in the eastern block says more about their mentality than anyone else's. Arena is free, just like Winboard. Arena is not free to host anywhere without permission.

Chris

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,

I said decent chess engines (like mine), not yours...

Mine also finds the presented mate in one instantly, doesn't play with no kings, adjacent kings, multiple kings, pawns on 1st/8th rank, it just shows an error message.



Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,

Compendium...


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


Yes it is still there... Update postponed (it should have been released already) due to illegal Arena hosting and other copyright infrigments.


Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com