Lexibook dedicated computer question

[Steve B]

hi Cameron

post as many games as you see fit!

i know that many would enjoy playing them over

as to the poll..
that is a bit iffy..
many do not like to vote in those things and you might wind up with only two -three votes which will give a misleading impression that the games themselves are of no interest!

one personal request is if perhaps you could pick a deciding moment in the game and then post a FORSYTH Diagram along with the game

this will make the game more readily of interest to those who might not want to go through the entire PGN file

Let The Games Begin Regards!
Steve

[JonP01]

many do not like to vote in those things and you might wind up with only two -three votes which will give a misleading impression that the games themselves are of no interest!

Well, I will vote, so he will definitely get the full quota of 3 votes
Now Steve, you are aware that Parr has a used (but probably functioning - I would need to check) Scorpio?


Spare Parts Regards


Jonathan

[Steve B]

many do not like to vote in those things and you might wind up with only two -three votes which will give a misleading impression that the games themselves are of no interest!

Well, I will vote, so he will definitely get the full quota of 3 votes
Now Steve, you are aware that Parr has a used (but probably functioning - I would need to check) Scorpio?


Spare Parts Regards


Jonathan

no i was unaware of that!

Lexibook anyone regards?

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Steve

[JonP01]

My wife must think I'm a bit strange when I run around the house on very rare occasions exclaiming "Express 16K's won! Express 16K's won!"

Or the even rarer ocassions when you run around the house exclaiming "my Saitek Cavalier works!".

[JonP01]

Lexibook anyone regards?

Hi Steve,

I bought a Lexibook earlier this week and hope to have it in my posession this weekend or early next week.

Plans are afoot for the announcement of the World "4K" Dedicated Championship, to be held in the ballroom of my Blair Athol mansion. It will be a "whose who" Red Carpet event of Royal proportions. The event, in which the Novag Star Beryl takes on the Lexibook Chessman Elite in a grudge match of epic proportions, will, of course, be covered right here on Talkchess.

Paris Hilton sends her apologies Regards

Jonathan

[Steve B]

Lexibook anyone regards?

Hi Steve,

I bought a Lexibook earlier this week and hope to have it in my posession this weekend or early next week.

Plans are afoot for the announcement of the World "4K" Dedicated Championship, to be held in the ballroom of my Blair Athol mansion. It will be a "whose who" Red Carpet event of Royal proportions. The event, in which the Novag Star Beryl takes on the Lexibook Chessman Elite in a grudge match of epic proportions, will, of course, be covered right here on Talkchess.

Paris Hilton sends her apologies Regards

Jonathan

Very Good Jon

we here in Collectors Corner look forward to the match with great anticipation
while i do not know the number of games being played between these two Titans i will predict a win for the Danielsen Program over the Kittinger by a margin of 65%-35%

The CCC..The SERIOUS Collectors First Stop On The Net Regards
Steve

[JonP01]

Hi Steve,

I have not quite decided upon the number either. I think 10 is too few but I think I am lacking the stamina to go the full 20, especially as they will all be played right through to mate or forced draw on the 3 minute average time per move levels. That means that some games could go for 10 - 12 hours or more. And with Lexibook's pondering, I don't have the luxury of delaying the transmission of the moves - they have to transmitted from machine to machine immediately they are played. At least both machines will save the games when powered off.

At the moment I am thinking maybe either 12 or 16 games (it has to be double an even number so that each side gets the same number of blacks and whites). I think 12 is possibly too few to convey a meaningful result. I think I have the stamina to eventually work my way through 16 games and that ought to be enough to establish with a reasonable degree of comfort as to which machine is worthy of the 4K dedicated crown. Clearly I cannot change the number of games or tie break rules once the match actually commences.

If the match is an 8-all tie, then the victor will be the first machine to score a victory after that. I hope it does not come to that - I don't really want a vintage Kasparov versus Karpov draw after draw after draw situation.

I notice your match score prediction is virtually the opposite of mine!

We will find out who is closer to reality Regards

Jonathan

[Steve B]

hi Jon

well i am not such a big fan of very short matches IF there is any title or rating to come of it

to play a few games for fun then thats one thing
but as you can see from my running debate with Robert..i am not happy with a dozen games and then declaring with any degree of certainty that computer A is stronger then Computer B

I Remember in the Krammink Challenge in 2001 where Fritz and Junior played a qualifying match (Shredder the then Computer World Champion was basically locked out of that event like Rybka is today)one of the engines got off to a 5-0 lead and it was the other engine that won the match!

but i realize of course that playing two dedicated computers is alot of work..especially because i imagine you will also be recording the games and so there is now a THIRD time you will have to enter the moves

lets settle on this shall we?

IF Danielsen WINS ..we will declare the Lexibook as the WINNER OF THE 4K CHALLENGE and therefore the strongest 4k dedicated computer EVER released for sale

IF however.. Kittinger wins ..we declare the Star Beryl as the winner of this match

Fair And Equitable Regards
Steve

[JonP01]

Hi Steve,

The winner of the match will simply be the winner of that particular World 4K Championship Match and nothing more than that. To actually determine the numeric differences in playing strength between the two machines would (at least for me) take many, many years of games against a large number of opponents - something I would never achieve in my lifetime - especially as many of the machines I own don't even have what I would consider to be reliable ratings themselves to begin with.

Certainly the closer the result, the more difficult it would be for anyone to conclude which machine is stronger. There can always be re-matches in the future And with re-matches, that increases the number of games played between the two and therefore the statistical reliability of the relative performance ratings. On the other hand, it's possible the result could be extremely biased. If for example the match result is something like 13 - 3 or even 12 - 4 in favour of one machine (especially if the machine with the lower score does not even manage any victories), then I'd probably not in all honesty have the motivation to continue matching them up under similar circumstances in the future.

So, I think the best way to view the match is that it is the "2007 World 4K Championship". Who knows - there could be new 4K dedicated machines released in the future that are even stronger again than these ones


Technical Specifications are Subject to Change Regards


Jonathan

[Steve B]

Hi Steve,

The winner of the match will simply be the winner of that particular World 4K Championship Match and nothing more than that. To actually determine the numeric differences in playing strength between the two machines would (at least for me) take many, many years of games against a large number of opponents - something I would never achieve in my lifetime - especially as many of the machines I own don't even have what I would consider to be reliable ratings themselves to begin with.

Certainly the closer the result, the more difficult it would be for anyone to conclude which machine is stronger. There can always be re-matches in the future And with re-matches, that increases the number of games played between the two and therefore the statistical reliability of the relative performance ratings. On the other hand, it's possible the result could be extremely biased. If for example the match result is something like 13 - 3 or even 12 - 4 in favour of one machine (especially if the machine with the lower score does not even manage any victories), then I'd probably not in all honesty have the motivation to continue matching them up under similar circumstances in the future.

So, I think the best way to view the match is that it is the "2007 World 4K Championship". Who knows - there could be new 4K dedicated machines released in the future that are even stronger again than these ones


Technical Specifications are Subject to Change Regards


Jonathan

OK Jon
perhaps if one side really wipes out the other with a score like 13- 3 or 14-2 we can say it is the stronger program but a close match i dont think we can say it
enough talk..

Let The Games Begin Regards!
Steve