Arasan 19.1

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gerold
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by gerold »

Sylwy wrote:
bob wrote:Your results are pretty meaningless. The error bar is larger than the gap between the two test programs.

120 games doesn't produce any accuracy at all..
OK ! All are my tests, my hobby, my ideas. Just I published some in CCC.
I never claimed my ratings are correct !
Becusese of some bad and opinionated men here I say adio to CCC ! Moderators can delete my account !
Can't do that.
Where is the pretty little Girl :)
bob
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by bob »

Sylwy wrote:
bob wrote:Your results are pretty meaningless. The error bar is larger than the gap between the two test programs.

120 games doesn't produce any accuracy at all..
OK ! All are my tests, my hobby, my ideas. Just I published some in CCC.
I never claimed my ratings are correct !
Becusese of some bad and opinionated men here I say adio to CCC ! Moderators can delete my account !
What? You can't take a simple statement of fact? Nothing was intended to be insulting, derogatory or anything. I just pointed out that 120 games has a huge error bar, so large that you can't claim what you claimed with any confidence at all.
karger
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by karger »

Ruxy , sorry to see you wont be posting anymore , enjoyed all your fine pictures.
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Graham Banks
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by Graham Banks »

Sylwy wrote:
bob wrote:Your results are pretty meaningless. The error bar is larger than the gap between the two test programs.

120 games doesn't produce any accuracy at all..
OK ! All are my tests, my hobby, my ideas. Just I published some in CCC.
I never claimed my ratings are correct !
Becusese of some bad and opinionated men here I say adio to CCC ! Moderators can delete my account !
No need to leave Ruxy. Many (including me) like your matches. Keep doing what you enjoy. :)
gbanksnz at gmail.com
Dann Corbit
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by Dann Corbit »

"The best ever" can also mean "my favorite.
Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
elpapa
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by elpapa »

Guenther wrote:I guess Bob wrote that, because of your header line 'best version ever', which gives the wrong impression
It was actually shown in the first post by Jon himself that this is (most likely) the best version ever. Maybe he referred to that and not his own tests.
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fern
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Re: My last post on CCC ! ADIO !

Post by fern »

Reconsider, my friend-
OK, all of us from time to time got a drubbing, fair or not, but I think exception made to be too much, we can bear it.
Bob is a harsh kind of guy, but a valuable one and you are too. He probably felt touched a bit more than usual because, after all, he is a chess programmer and any opinion about engines is more near to his heart than to any of us, the unwashed masses that has not programmed anything.
So, forgive, forget and stay..
a hug
Fern
bob
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Re: My test (the best Arasan ever) !

Post by bob »

SzG wrote:
bob wrote:Your results are pretty meaningless. The error bar is larger than the gap between the two test programs.

120 games doesn't produce any accuracy at all..
Unfortunately the Fritz GUI does not compute error margins so it is difficult to tell how many games you should play to avoid that the error bars overlap.
Then it is pretty much worthless for doing this sort of comparison...

You can save all the PGN and run it through BayesElo which will solve the problem..