Houdini - Cluster Rybka encounter....

[IanO]

Now that I've seen the comments in a couple of the PGNs, I don't see why anyone thinks this match is in doubt. Houdini is consistently outsearching Rybka by 5-6 ply! That alone should secure Houdini a sure win, irrespective of the quality of their evaluations, lack of opening book, or contempt setting. The style of the games is consistent with one opponent outsearching the other.

[Uri Blass]

Now that I've seen the comments in a couple of the PGNs, I don't see why anyone thinks this match is in doubt. Houdini is consistently outsearching Rybka by 5-6 ply! That alone should secure Houdini a sure win, irrespective of the quality of their evaluations, lack of opening book, or contempt setting. The style of the games is consistent with one opponent outsearching the other.

I think plies are not relevant here when programs do different pruning and extensions and it is also very easy to lie about the number of plies that you search by printing wrong numbers.

I do not know if rybka cluster prints wrong numbers but it is obvious that some versions of rybka simply do not print their search at depth 1 and print depth=1 for their search at depth 3 or 4 because Rybka can see non trivial tactics at depth 1 that most programs need depth 3 or 4 to see.

Uri

[yanquis1972]

the clusters ply depth is more 'understated' even than rybka's, afaik. i wouldn't put any meaning to the numbers.

[IGarcia]

Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....

It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....

Something is wrong here,I don't know.....

Is it a bad special settings for the match

Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using

Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying

Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D

Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....

I think... some engines-programmers are a bit like the stars; some generate their own light while others reflect the brilliance they receive.

Wait and watch....

I've survived the Rybka era with all the serpants trying to defend it and biting anyone daring to say that there will come a day when it will fall down the hill and another chess engine will climb it to take the throne

I will survive Houdini's era as well regards,
Dr.D

What would you want a computer chess program to do better, after one has already dominated Rybka 4.1, and got better still?

One that does even better Shimon

Where is it going to end?

We won't be alive,that's for sure..........

So _I_ want to do be totally absorbed in many other things LONG before i won't still be alive, so i have to be satisfied asap with what there is.
When i got my first thing, Turbo King, that was strong, but nowhere near propper chess, it was just hard for me to beat, then.

Much further on, Rybka 3? Not quite! Ithought i needed something well above that, and its weaknesses, then it would be enough for me.

Rybka 4 was too little and too late! AND i was a little upset too.

But with 4.1 it proved a hard nut to crack.

Houdini 1.5a was the first time the play looked flowery enough AND it was strong enough chess to overtake Rybka 4.1 too.

So now we have Houdini 3 plus i have my own good computer, so surely it's the best i'll see for a long time no?

Even Rybka is 4.1 is great, but Houdini seems to have a different feel which i feel can play what top world champions would have played and better (unless the world champions were wrong).

But if you can tell me specifically what is still a nuisance in its missunderstandings of so many positions, then i would hang on a little longer, before telling myself that there is not something better coming out, just around the corner, which MIGHT be more satisfying.

CAN you?

I will when I purchase Houdini 3 ChessBase

Just give me some time regards,
Dr.D

We already had engines that would play top GM (2700+) and with last wave of engines you are getting the "more satisfaction" speaking about. And for sure there will be more waves of satisfaction in future.

Igna.

Yes,the best is yet to come........
Dr.D

How much more best?
Obviously, it won't go DOWN in elo. But how much better will chess look like? (from computers).
What do we need better than what we have now?
Can you describe? Do you have some dream as to how it might look?


An engine that can never draw, only win? And if it plays self, only white will ever win (or engine will blow up)? Or what?

well, on every release ELO gains will be narrowing ...just as the original message, on every quote gets narrow

But the satisfaction will not be narrowed.

Igna.

[mwyoung]

Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....

It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....

Something is wrong here,I don't know.....

Is it a bad special settings for the match

Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using

Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying

Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D

I know you were so looking forward to Houdini 3's demise. I guess you will have to wait for Houdini 4...

A nasty poster wrote yesterday that Robert is my enemy......

I don't like him but he's definitely not my enemy......

I've ordered the new Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 from a big PC store yesterday and I intend to buy Houdini's ChessBase version as I am a big fan of this company.....
Dr.D

What is not to like. Robert has done nothing every to you personally. But you go out of your way to run him and Houdini down.

I been testing chess programs since the 1980's. IMO Robert has help spark a new golden age in computer chess. For someone how loves computer chess, I thank him for his efforts.

I can't help but to feel glad when Houdini 3 does well, and his program shuts you and others down with its play over the board. Because I feel Robert has been treated very poorly by many here. And you and others were hoping for Houdini 3 to fail, so you could open up new lines of attack on Robert... Shameful

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....

It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....

Something is wrong here,I don't know.....

Is it a bad special settings for the match

Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using

Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying

Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D

I know you were so looking forward to Houdini 3's demise. I guess you will have to wait for Houdini 4...

A nasty poster wrote yesterday that Robert is my enemy......

I don't like him but he's definitely not my enemy......

I've ordered the new Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 from a big PC store yesterday and I intend to buy Houdini's ChessBase version as I am a big fan of this company.....
Dr.D

What is not to like. Robert has done nothing every to you personally. But you go out of your way to run him and Houdini down.

I been testing chess programs since the 1980's. IMO Robert has help spark a new golden age in computer chess. For someone how loves computer chess, I thank him for his efforts.

I can't help but to feel glad when Houdini 3 does well, and his program shuts you and others down with its play over the board. Because I feel Robert has been treated very poorly by many here. And you and others were hoping for Houdini 3 to fail, so you could open up new lines of attack on Robert... Shameful

Houdini doesn't shut me down.......

Feel free to think what you like,but don't make big conclusions........

Houdini will fall sooner than later and you will be defending the new king of the hill eventually......
Infinite loop regards,
Dr.D

[beachknight]

I've ordered the new Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 from a big PC store yesterday and I intend to buy Houdini's ChessBase version as I am a big fan of this company.....
Dr.D

Woooow, I see you will be equipped with the latest hardware & software.
H3 bench on this box would be around 17 mnps, ie the half of the H3_16 cores of the match.

[S.Taylor]

What is not to like. Robert has done nothing every to you personally. But you go out of your way to run him and Houdini down.

I been testing chess programs since the 1980's. IMO Robert has help spark a new golden age in computer chess. For someone how loves computer chess, I thank him for his efforts.

I can't help but to feel glad when Houdini 3 does well, and his program shuts you and others down with its play over the board. Because I feel Robert has been treated very poorly by many here. And you and others were hoping for Houdini 3 to fail, so you could open up new lines of attack on Robert... Shameful

Looks like his whole purpose beginning to end, is to make a show. I recently stumbled across youtubes about wwe (don't bother, really!) and maybe he is trying to make a show for chess, too.

(When he did this to Vasik, I thought he had something genuine in it, but now that he is doing it to Robert, I'm thinking that with Vas, it was also just for "entertainment")

[S.Taylor]

Houdini will fall sooner than later and you will be defending the new king of the hill eventually......
Infinite loop regards,
Dr.D

Houdini can't fall.
It is computerized, it will keep its strength.

[Hugo]

Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....

It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....

Something is wrong here,I don't know.....

Is it a bad special settings for the match

Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using

Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying

Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D

I agree with you that Cluster Rybka did not play both games verry well (or strong as expected e.g. by me).
Houdini did well in both games. Most peoples interpret too much in this games, thats a little pity. It is just an interesting event, and both engines should get the same respect.

Regards, Clemens keck