Illegal Arena hosting...

[Graham Banks]

Are your products of the same high quality as your chess engine ?

That's a pretty low blow Michael. I wouldn't have expected that from you. RedQueen is a fine engine and is getting stronger with each release.

Graham.

[hgm]

Are your products of the same high quality as your chess engine ? Are you charging your clients while you write in this forum ?http://www.playwitharena.com

I don't see the relevance. Are you trying to suggest there is anything wrong with the quality of Red Queen? If so, it would be helpful if you specified what, so it could be fixed.

And if his clients are willing to pay him for posting in this forum, he must be a heck of a smarter business man than we are. Are Arena users paying you to write on this forum? I know for sure that no one is willing to pay me for what I write here!


B.t.w., there is no reason for people to worry. Hosting WinBoard is allowed for anyone that wants to do it. You can even bundle it with non-GPL software. There is, for instance, a package available that bundles WinBoard with Houdini, and it seems to be quite popular.

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,





This is the first thing one should implement in an engine are the RULES of chess.

Not to talk how it handles solving mates in 1...

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Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


Good for you. But they do respect GPL. For Arena they don't respect our rules and copyrights.

My customers are very happy with the hits generated and their Google rankings.

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,

I thought it was Nimbuzz...

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[hgm]

This is the first thing one should implement in an engine are the RULES of chess.

This is just your opinion, and I vehemently disagree with it. Because actng according to it would lead to _objectively_ inferior products.

For a Chess engine the only thing that matters is if it produces proper response (move) to legal Chess positions. How it reacts to illegal or unreachable positions has no bearing on its status as a Chess engine. It is entrely upto the author to define the response to such position, which offers him the freedom to extend the rules of Chess in a backward compatible way. Such as defining how to castle if the King is not on e1 and/or the Rook not h1, thus endowing the engine with the capability to play the Chess960 extension of the Mad Queen variant. In case of multiple Kings the rules could be generalized as first King-capture wins, or last King-capture wins (extinction Chess), or any mix thereof that pleases hm, as this does not affect the behavior in FIDE positions in any way.

It just makes the engine more valuable to the user that it can handle such Chess extensions, while nothing would have been gained by making the engine pedantic, and refuse such positions for no good reason.

So it seems to me your main gripe with Red Queen is that it actually is superior to some other engines, in its capability to solve non-FIDE positions.

Not to talk how it handles solving mates in 1...

[d]1QqQqQq1/r6Q/Q6q/q6Q/B2q4/q6Q/k6K/1qQ1QqRb w - - 0 1

http://www.playwitharena.com

How does it handle those?

[UncombedCoconut]

OK then, the next time I'm faced with k6p/8/8/3Kk3/3Kk3/8/8/P6K b - - and need computer advice I'll avoid RedQueen. As a TalkChess user who has thought Arena looked neat, I'll apologize that somebody else has violated your copyright and hope that one day you will recover from that trauma. And, of course, I'll reconsider whether I should ever respect a native Russian speaker even though there are Russian people on earth who don't respect other people's work.

Good grief!! I'm dying to learn what you are trying to accomplish here.

[Evert]

This is the first thing one should implement in an engine are the RULES of chess.

I agree this is shocking. Clearly 1. ... K4xd5 is a much better move, since black is now a King up and has an easily won end-game.

Otherwise, I have no idea what you're on about but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks you sound like a spoiled adolescent.

[Michael Diosi]

OK then, the next time I'm faced with k6p/8/8/3Kk3/3Kk3/8/8/P6K b - - and need computer advice I'll avoid RedQueen. As a TalkChess user who has thought Arena looked neat, I'll apologize that somebody else has violated your copyright and hope that one day you will recover from that trauma. And, of course, I'll reconsider whether I should ever respect a native Russian speaker even though there are Russian people on earth who don't respect other people's work.

Good grief!! I'm dying to learn what you are trying to accomplish here.

Hi,


You don't know it ? I'll give you a clue: Respect of copyrights, adequate citations, asking for permissions.... All these seem to be not common in that part of the world. Computerbild, magazines and pages in Italy, Spain, France,... asked for permission and are citing it as should be. Can you see a pattern ?

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


it is shocking that a program that pretends to be a chess engine doesn't know the rules of the game. Any decent engine would check the position...it is the first thing one does when implementing a chess program.

I am not amazed to see you and others don't care about copyrights and the work of others...

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com