The "well meaning" witch hunters have caused much

[Harvey Williamson]

For all I know BB is one of the clone authors.

For all I know you are just protecting your business interest which is very well endangered. Ergo, you disqualify yourself from any serious discussion on the matter.

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

Why are all these guys frightened to give a real name?

[Milos]

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

That's what you all say, you, GCP... Still your are continuing to sell your engines for money not for candies.
So either you are lousy sellers, or your product does not have real commercial value. Either way, you know Ippos are endangering those already slim numbers and you are doing anything that's in your power to prevent it. And you've demonstrated that unmeasurable number of times so far.

[Steve B]

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

That's what you all say, you, GCP... Still your are continuing to sell your engines for money not for candies.
So either you are lousy sellers, or your product does not have real commercial value. Either way, you know Ippos are endangering those already slim numbers and you are doing anything that's in your power to prevent it. And you've demonstrated that unmeasurable number of times so far.

if someone posts in defence of Ippo not being illegal..he is attacked
if someone posts that IPPO is a clone..he is attacked

i appreciate that GCP had the courage to offer his opinion knowing full well that someone would attack him
we are at a crossroads in this great debate and its the opinion of Engine authors and the computer chess programming community who have read and can digest BB's report that will carry the day
again all else is noise
(including my post i guess)
Steve

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]

That's what you all say, you, GCP... Still your are continuing to sell your engines for money not for candies.
So either you are lousy sellers, or your product does not have real commercial value. Either way, you know Ippos are endangering those already slim numbers and you are doing anything that's in your power to prevent it. And you've demonstrated that unmeasurable number of times so far.

The "GCP is a professional or not" thing is in another thread

Illegal software copying has always been a business threat to commercial engines, it does not mean they never had value.

Anyway, I've given factual statements from the data we have. The one who keeps attacking people personally because he doesn't like the points they make is you.

[Harvey Williamson]

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

That's what you all say, you, GCP... Still your are continuing to sell your engines for money not for candies.
So either you are lousy sellers, or your product does not have real commercial value. Either way, you know Ippos are endangering those already slim numbers and you are doing anything that's in your power to prevent it. And you've demonstrated that unmeasurable number of times so far.

I do not work for Hiarcs except as a volunteer. My income is 0 from Computer Chess. But I do use my real name unlike authors of some reports and some engines.

[Steve B]

For all I know BB is one of the clone authors.

For all I know you are just protecting your business interest which is very well endangered. Ergo, you disqualify yourself from any serious discussion on the matter.

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

Why are all these guys frightened to give a real name?

actually i can understand their reluctance to come forward
the vitriol that goes on is amazing
when we made the decision to allow discussion of these issues last term i was besieged with hate e-mails and PM's

i was called a Hitler,Traitor,accused of not protecting Vas's Interest and so much more its absurd

i can see where anyone would want to forgo that crap
now im not saying thats the reason for anonymity but if it were i could fully understand it

Steve

[Harvey Williamson]

For all I know BB is one of the clone authors.

For all I know you are just protecting your business interest which is very well endangered. Ergo, you disqualify yourself from any serious discussion on the matter.

What business interests my income from computer chess is a big fat 0.

Why are all these guys frightened to give a real name?

actually i can understand their reluctance to cmoe forward
the vitriol that goes on is amazing
when we made the decision to allow discussion of these issues last term i was besieged with hate e-mails and PM's

i was called a Hitler,Traitor,accused of not protecting Vas's Interest and so much more its absurd

i can see where anyone would want to forgo that crap
now im not saying thats the reason for anonymity but if it were i could fully understand it

Steve

Whatever their reasons I doubt CCC figures in any of them.

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]

The anonymity is the cause, not the reason, for many of the skepticism.

I would certainly judge the case differently if the authors were real persons that stepped forward. I'm sure many others would, too.

[Roger Brown]

The anonymity is the cause, not the reason, for many of the skepticism.

I would certainly judge the case differently if the authors were real persons that stepped forward. I'm sure many others would, too.

Hello Gian-Carlo,

Why would you judge it differently?

Surely stolen code remains stolen (if that was the reason for the generally negative reception given to the Ip* engines) even if he author is anonymous or not.

Just wondering....

Later.

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]

Why would you judge it differently?

Surely stolen code remains stolen (if that was the reason for the generally negative reception given to the Ip* engines) even if he author is anonymous or not.

I'd judge it differently because I don't know for sure code was stolen. See my previous statement:

Reverse engineering by itself is not illegal in some countries. Copying code when doing so could be.

It is for me still an open question whether the authors remain anonymous because they are afraid they might still have slipped on the latter (and hence are distributing illegal software),...

If the authors come forward, it's a very clear assertion they believe they are in the clear and that you cannot find any copied code. After all, they are vulnerable to a lawsuit from Vasik/ChessBase at that point.

If they don't, the question stays: why do the authors of the best chess engine in the world who open sourced their work for all to see don't want to be known?