Rolf wrote:bob wrote:Rolf wrote:trojanfoe wrote:Rolf wrote:
I repeat my standpoint. Since you dont ask the other commercial programmers where they took their stuff from, you have no right to ask Vas. Or it looks biased. And above all if Vas doesnt answer you cant continue a campaign like repetition of always the same stuff. All IMO.
There is nothing biased about it - the investigations start indepedently based on suspiscion. If a person makes a claim in this forum, for example, there are enough people with programming experience to quickly shoot down any unfair claims. That hasn't happened in this thread as all the pro-Rybka participants are able to do is complain that the investigation is invalid and based on personal jealously. None of the pro-Rybka folk have successfully countered any of the technical details presented. It's almost political in nature in fact.
Cheers,
Andy
Andy, you cant seriously mean it. Apart from me and partially Uri there is nobody here in defense of Rybka. Didnt you see this? If you would change into Rybka forum you would see many people who think different. But why should they argue in this climate. The reason for me to make some arguments is NOT that I know for sure what is going on but when the anti-Vas side is making shallow messages. Of course I cant judge on the quoted code at all. But I have experience how people are doing a witch-hunt. This is actually what is happening here. Of course the triumph will be China. Otherwise these people here cant hurt Vas and Rybka.
Since you are a new name for me, just for me, and I still take you on a high level and ethical grounds would you please comment on what Corbit has reported here, namely that as he showed the analyses to Fabien, he reacted so, that he didnt care. And although some have explained that this meant that others couldt neither do something. But we still have the campaign here. Could you explain to a lay what tghis is all about? Some wrote "envie" but why?
And then we have a strange situation that the main attackers have themselves a special standing. I wait on a short exchange wih Bob and then I will decide how to handle that topic.
If you could help with some thoughtful reflections then it would be positive for the community. You know I can only oppose as a democrat and humanistic guy all kind of doctored annihilation of other peple and the products of their talents.
My fantasy often tells me that Vas will retaliate at his chosen moment and then people should not be surprised if they are taken to task. In case they are Europeans like CT. I fully agree with what Graham has written.
I do not believe any sort of legal action will happen. It will be too costly. If Vas tries to sue someone, the initial cost is non-trivial. If he loses, he will end up paying a ton of attorney fees for both sides. He will have to offer proof that the source code being shown here is not in his program, which means he will have to reveal the source in a public record. If there is any substance to the speculation being made, it will go downhill from there.
There are some doors you just don't want to open... even if the current claims being made are completely wrong, legal action is a dangerous path to start down...
Ok, so all from the USA are fine. But I for one had alsways worried for people like CT who must live under the miserable Europe and France conditions. That could cost a whole lot because we dont know the complicated jury system in the USA. Here CT might be responsible for the whole thing and that with his data...
But I must confess something else Bob. Honestly I couldnt imagine that people existed who stand up against such a talent like Vasik without that they had a chance to sue Vasik in return, that was what I feared most. But if this doesnt even play a role for you then I'm left helpless why people showed so much negative from their characters. People who either left the scene in frustration, have apologized for _____ and who are themselves so talented like Zach but dont write own code for the competition. This is incredible to get for me, Bob. When people will learn from your role model? Could you ever have done all this internet communication with a negative attutude. With gallic hate speech? Not imaginable. - peace for all!
Here is a summary of my thoughts, given in bits and pieces in previous posts.
1. Vas is obviously talented. Whether he originally copied fruit or not. He either wrote the currently strongest chess program from scratch, or else he copied fruit and then modified it into the stongest program around. Either task is not simple.
2. I did not ever like the "amateur turns professional" approach when the amateur lurks and asks lots of questions, and learns lots of things that would normally take years, and then when he finds a new idea, mum is the word. But I have lived with that for years and it doesn't cause me to lose sleep.
3. If Vas copied Fruit, he ought to simply say so. Then he could rewrite every remaining line and be free of the GPL requirements and this would settle down.
4. If he didn't copy fruit, then he ought to explain the glaring similarities between strelka (which he claims as his own) and Fruit, as presented by various posters here.
As far as I am concerned, either 3 or 4 would close this book and everyone would move on. But right now, the claims and questions are being answered by a deafening silence. Silence is a form of fertilizer for these discussions and they will continue to grow.
