Additional CEGT-Blitz-Update with 9271 more games

[Graham Banks]

Just tell us now. Did you ask for somekind of statement on the rybka forum from Vas?

Of course. Probably more than once, just not in the way that you're portraying.
That's why I'd like people to be able to read it and judge for themselves.

[mwyoung]

Just tell us now. Did you ask for somekind of statement on the rybka forum from Vas?

Of course. Probably more than once, just not in the way that you're portraying.
That's why I'd like people to be able to read it and judge for themselves.

It looks like your Rybka buddies took it off.

But like I said it was my take on your statement (IMO). I found it funny you would be begging Vas for a supportive statement if you and CCRL are so damn independent. Still Laughing.

[Graham Banks]

Just tell us now. Did you ask for somekind of statement on the rybka forum from Vas?

Of course. Probably more than once, just not in the way that you're portraying.
That's why I'd like people to be able to read it and judge for themselves.

It looks like your Rybka buddies took it off.

But like I said it was my take on your statement (IMO). I found it funny you would be begging Vas for a supportive statement if you and CCRL are so damn independent. Still Laughing.

Really? I doubt it. Look harder.

I'd think that most people have been expecting or wanting Vas to publicly say more than he has over the Fruit/Rybka accusations, so why not ask? I'm sure he's been asked by many others too.

By the way, CCRL is not in collusion with Vas or the Rybka team as you like to insinuate.
As a group, we've chosen not to test the Ippo engines (including Houdini). Nothing more, nothing less.

[mwyoung]

Just tell us now. Did you ask for somekind of statement on the rybka forum from Vas?

Of course. Probably more than once, just not in the way that you're portraying.
That's why I'd like people to be able to read it and judge for themselves.

It looks like your Rybka buddies took it off.

But like I said it was my take on your statement (IMO). I found it funny you would be begging Vas for a supportive statement if you and CCRL are so damn independent. Still Laughing.

Really? I doubt it. Look harder.

I'd think that most people have been expecting or wanting Vas to publicly say more than he has over the Fruit/Rybka accusations, so why not ask? I'm sure he's been asked by many others too.

By the way, CCRL is not in collusion with Vas or the Rybka team as you like to insinuate.
As a group, we've chosen not to test the Ippo engines (including Houdini). Nothing more, nothing less.

Then why beg Vas for a statement?

You are nothing more then a useful stooge to Vas as long as your are willing to be his main defender, and take all the slings and arrows for Vas.

But you are also as expendable as CEGT.

How much more damage to your reputation are you willing to take for Vas.

If I am wrong then tell us why CEGT as been removed from the Rybka Home page after years of being there.


Take a look at WWW.Rybkachess.com

You will see the CEGT Links have been removed after years of being linked to Vas's Rybka home page.



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2010-07-19 Rybka wins the 4th World Rapid Computer Chess Championship with 7.5/9 ahead of Deep Sjeng and Crafty (7/9). Opening report by Jiri | Report by Vas

[Graham Banks]

........tell us why CEGT as been removed from the Rybka Home page after years of being there.

Take a look at WWW.Rybkachess.com

You will see the CEGT Links have been removed after years of being linked to Vas's Rybka home page..........

The decisions that CEGT and the Rybka forum moderators make have nothing to do with me.
If CCRL or SSDF ever decide to test Ippo engines, I have no doubt at all that we'll be removed from the links there too.

[Roger Brown]

Then why beg Vas for a statement?

You are nothing more then a useful stooge to Vas as long as your are willing to be his main defender, and take all the slings and arrows for Vas.

But you are also as expendable as CEGT.

How much more damage to your reputation are you willing to take for Vas.

If I am wrong then tell us why CEGT as been removed from the Rybka Home page after years of being there.


Take a look at WWW.Rybkachess.com

You will see the CEGT Links have been removed after years of being linked to Vas's Rybka home page.

Hello Mark,

I think that you are placing Graham in a particularly evil position.

He should not be the one to explain why Rybkachess did what it did.

Rybkachess was set up to promote a specific commercial chess engine, nothing more, nothing less. Lists that show that engine in less than a dominating light are going to be removed. I would not find that behaviour the least bit surprising on any other commercial based site.

Do not confuse it with places like this where, for now, there can be open discourse even on the unpleasant aspects of this hobby.

Later.

[Graham Banks]

Then why beg Vas for a statement?

You are nothing more then a useful stooge to Vas as long as your are willing to be his main defender, and take all the slings and arrows for Vas.

But you are also as expendable as CEGT.

How much more damage to your reputation are you willing to take for Vas.

If I am wrong then tell us why CEGT as been removed from the Rybka Home page after years of being there.


Take a look at WWW.Rybkachess.com

You will see the CEGT Links have been removed after years of being linked to Vas's Rybka home page.

Hello Mark,

I think that you are placing Graham in a particularly evil position.

He should not be the one to explain why Rybkachess did what it did.

Rybkachess was set up to promote a specific commercial chess engine, nothing more, nothing less. Lists that show that engine in less than a dominating light are going to be removed. I would not find that behaviour the least bit surprising on any other commercial based site.

Do not confuse it with places like this where, for now, there can be open discourse even on the unpleasant aspects of this hobby.

Later.

Thank you Roger.

[mwyoung]

Then why beg Vas for a statement?

You are nothing more then a useful stooge to Vas as long as your are willing to be his main defender, and take all the slings and arrows for Vas.

But you are also as expendable as CEGT.

How much more damage to your reputation are you willing to take for Vas.

If I am wrong then tell us why CEGT as been removed from the Rybka Home page after years of being there.


Take a look at WWW.Rybkachess.com

You will see the CEGT Links have been removed after years of being linked to Vas's Rybka home page.

Hello Mark,

I think that you are placing Graham in a particularly evil position.

He should not be the one to explain why Rybkachess did what it did.

Rybkachess was set up to promote a specific commercial chess engine, nothing more, nothing less. Lists that show that engine in less than a dominating light are going to be removed. I would not find that behaviour the least bit surprising on any other commercial based site.

Do not confuse it with places like this where, for now, there can be open discourse even on the unpleasant aspects of this hobby.

Later.

"I think that you are placing Graham in a particularly evil position."

Sorry, but I must disagree.

Mr. Banks has put himself in this position, he has put himself as the main defender of Rybka on this forum and being moderator, and the attacker and censorers of anyone, or program that threatens Rybka or Vas.

We all had to live with it.....and Mr. Banks can not back away from it now.

[Graham Banks]

Mr. Banks has put himself in this position, he has put himself as the main defender of Rybka on this forum and being moderator, and the attacker and censorers of anyone, or program that threatens Rybka or Vas.

We all had to live with it.....and Mr. Banks can not back away from it now.

Well Mark, I guess that as other engines in future move past Rybka on our lists (as they will), the words of some might come back to haunt them bigtime.
The decision not to test Houdini has nothing to do with the fact that it's stronger than Rybka.

[mwyoung]

Mr. Banks has put himself in this position, he has put himself as the main defender of Rybka on this forum and being moderator, and the attacker and censorers of anyone, or program that threatens Rybka or Vas.

We all had to live with it.....and Mr. Banks can not back away from it now.

Well Mark, I guess that as other engines in future move past Rybka on our lists (as they will), the words of some might come back to haunt them bigtime.
The decision not to test Houdini has nothing to do with the fact that it's stronger than Rybka.

Is not the reason you chose not to test Houdini, the same reason Rybka is in so much trouble now, but who are you still defending???

And Mr. Banks you don't live in a vacuum. It was the Rybka Forum that posted the standard of what is a clone or not a clone. And what is a legit program, and what was not a legit program. Vas said a legit program is one that was tested by CEGT or CCRL. Now that CEGT is testing Houdini, Vas has made CEGT "Persona non grata" It is a fair question for you to answer. Since you accepted this definition from the Rybka forum, and you are a founding member of CCRL and accepted Vas's definition.