AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core

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Are there more news/data available for this chip?

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core

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NDAs get lifted Mar 2. I doubt we'll hear more until then.
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Some initial Fritz benchmarks are in for the new Ryzen chip.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-g ... enchamrks/

In summary the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X gets a Fritz benchmark of 21,386, which is 6% faster than the corresponding Intel i7 6800K.

For comparison you can see other processor results here:

Tom's Hardware

and here:

Sedat's Chess Page

It'll be interesting to see the benchmark on the top of the range AMD Ryzen 7 1800X.

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Wins Big Lead vs i7 6900K In More Gaming Benchmarks
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Steve Maughan wrote:Some initial Fritz benchmarks are in for the new Ryzen chip.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-g ... enchamrks/

In summary the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X gets a Fritz benchmark of 21,386, which is 6% faster than the corresponding Intel i7 6800K.

For comparison you can see other processor results here:

Tom's Hardware

and here:

Sedat's Chess Page

It'll be interesting to see the benchmark on the top of the range AMD Ryzen 7 1800X.

- Steve
Per core it is a bit better than Phenom II X6.
(21,386/8)*6 = 16039.5 ~ AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.31 GHz 6 15019

If it is true then it is not impressive. Per core Intel is still much faster.

However, I'm always skeptical when I see the news with funny characters.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core

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Hi Karlo,

I think the Fritz Benchmark may not scale well with higher numbers of cores. As a benchmark it's been around for 10+ years. When we first saw it a dual processor was a novelty.

If you look at the Tom's Hardware link you'll see the eight core Intel Core i7-5960X only scores 22,084. This is only a little faster (3.2%) than the Ryzen 1700X. I expect the Ryzen 1800X, which is 6% faster then the 1700X, to at least match the Intel speed.

We'll have to wait and see what sort of speed Stockfish gets. I'm more excited about the Naples processor which has 32 cores. If this is remotely affordable it'll make and an amazing chess rig

- Steve
Karlo Bala wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Some initial Fritz benchmarks are in for the new Ryzen chip.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-g ... enchamrks/

In summary the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X gets a Fritz benchmark of 21,386, which is 6% faster than the corresponding Intel i7 6800K.

For comparison you can see other processor results here:

Tom's Hardware

and here:

Sedat's Chess Page

It'll be interesting to see the benchmark on the top of the range AMD Ryzen 7 1800X.

- Steve
Per core it is a bit better than Phenom II X6.
(21,386/8)*6 = 16039.5 ~ AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.31 GHz 6 15019

If it is true then it is not impressive. Per core Intel is still much faster.

However, I'm always skeptical when I see the news with funny characters.
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Karlo Bala wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Some initial Fritz benchmarks are in for the new Ryzen chip.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-g ... enchamrks/

In summary the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X gets a Fritz benchmark of 21,386, which is 6% faster than the corresponding Intel i7 6800K.

For comparison you can see other processor results here:

Tom's Hardware

and here:

Sedat's Chess Page

It'll be interesting to see the benchmark on the top of the range AMD Ryzen 7 1800X.

- Steve
Per core it is a bit better than Phenom II X6.
(21,386/8)*6 = 16039.5 ~ AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.31 GHz 6 15019

If it is true then it is not impressive. Per core Intel is still much faster.

However, I'm always skeptical when I see the news with funny characters.
You are comparing an overclocked Phenom to stock Ryzen. Going cheapo, the probably 19,000 on Fritz, stock Ryzen 1700 is much better than my stock 14,000 on Fritz core i7 4790 (4 cores) at the same price. Per core, performance is a bit worse for Ryzen, but overall significantly better for the same price, and I like many cores and threads for my purposes.
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Laskos wrote:You are comparing an overclocked Phenom to stock Ryzen. Going cheapo, the probably 19,000 on Fritz, stock Ryzen 1700 is much better than my stock 14,000 on Fritz core i7 4790 (4 cores) at the same price. Per core, performance is a bit worse for Ryzen, but overall significantly better for the same price, and I like many cores and threads for my purposes.
Taking into account the cost of the processor you (and Steve) are right, of course. For testing purpose it is better to have more cores - know that, I like more cores :) But, your core searches 3500 NPS, while Ryzen only 2300. 50% slower, that is more than a bit worse. From a pure engineering point of view, compared to the Intel core, this is an unimpressive performance from Ryzen.

I sincerely hope that the news is fake.
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Karlo,

I don't think you can use multi-core benchmarks to deduce single core performance. Based on other single core benchmarks (https://goo.gl/dpNEcm) I'm reasonably confident (i.e. hoping) Ryzen will match Intel's best when it comes to single core speed.

Only time will confirm or shatter my hopes,

Steve

Karlo Bala wrote:
Laskos wrote:You are comparing an overclocked Phenom to stock Ryzen. Going cheapo, the probably 19,000 on Fritz, stock Ryzen 1700 is much better than my stock 14,000 on Fritz core i7 4790 (4 cores) at the same price. Per core, performance is a bit worse for Ryzen, but overall significantly better for the same price, and I like many cores and threads for my purposes.
Taking into account the cost of the processor you (and Steve) are right, of course. For testing purpose it is better to have more cores - know that, I like more cores :) But, your core searches 3500 NPS, while Ryzen only 2300. 50% slower, that is more than a bit worse. From a pure engineering point of view, compared to the Intel core, this is an unimpressive performance from Ryzen.

I sincerely hope that the news is fake.
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