Hi Peter,peter wrote:I think this could be of interest...
A few remarks.
1. Interesting, that the Rybka Cluster 64 cores has no clue, even after 30 min. (eval stuck at 4.67-4.70: at this climbing rate, how long will it take to show a win?...)
2. I studied Robert Houdart's try with Houdini 3
[d]7n/6k1/5pp1/2Q2n1p/7P/5PP1/6K1/8 b - - 0 1
He obtained
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44/99 344:59 +6.36 1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5
5.h5 Ne5 6.Qe7+ Nef7 7.Qd7 Kf8 8.Qe6 Ng8
9.Qc8+ Kg7 10.Qd7 Kf8 11.Kg3 Ngh6
12.Qe6 Kg7 13.Kg2 Kf8 14.Kf2 Kg7 (162.934.850.135) First, notice 11.Kg3 13.Kg2 14.Kf2
This random shuffling shows well enough what you said: engine's horizon is reached.
Then I analysed the last position of the PV, 14...Kg7 with my Houdini 2.0c w32 Nlm(5-men), dual-core, and obtained
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15.Kg2 Ne5 16.Qe7+ Nef7 17.Kf3 f5 18.gxf5 Nxf5 19.Qa3 Kf6 20.Ke4 N5h6 21.Qa6+ Ke7 22.Kd5 g4 23.Qe6+ Kf8 24.Qf6 Ke8 25.Qb2 Kf8 26.Qb4+ Kg7 27.Qd4+ Kg8 28.Ke6 Kf8 29.Kf6 Ng8+ 30.Kf5 Ke7 31.Qe3+ Kf8 32.Qc5+ Kg7 33.Ke6 Nd8+ 34.Kd7 Nf7 35.Qd4+ Kf8 36.Qb4+ Kg7 37.Qxg4+ Kf8 38.Qf3 Kg7 39.Qg3+ Kf8 40.Ke6 Ngh6 41.Qd3 Ng4 42.Qf3 Ngh6 43.Kf6 Ng8+ 44.Kg6 Ne7+ 45.Kh7 Ke8 46.Qg3 Nf5 47.Qe1+ Kf8 48.Qa5 N7h6 49.Kg6 Ke7 50.Qe5+ Kd7 51.Qd5+ Ke7 52.Qe4+ Kd6 53.Kf6 Ne3 54.Qd3+ Kc6 55.Qc3+ Kd5 56.Qe5+ Kc6 57.Qe4+ Kd6 58.Qd3+
+- (5.79) Depth: 42/98 13:55:32 172019mN, tb=335398
15.Kg2 Ne5 16.Qe7+ Nef7 17.Kf3 f5 18.gxf5 Nxf5 19.Qa3 Kf6 20.Ke4 N5h6 21.Qa6+ Ke7 22.Kd5 g4 23.Qe6+ Kf8 24.Qf6 Ke8 25.Qb2 Kf8 26.Qb4+ Kg7 27.Qd4+ Kg8 28.Ke6 Kf8 29.Kf6 Ng8+ 30.Kf5 Ke7 31.Qe3+ Kf8 32.Qc5+ Kg7 33.Ke6 Nd8+ 34.Kd7 Nf7 35.Qd4+ Kf8 36.Qb4+ Kg7 37.Qxg4+ Kf8 38.Qf3 Kg7 39.Qg3+ Kf8 40.Ke6 Ngh6 41.Qd3 Ng4 42.Qf3 Ngh6 43.Kf6 Ng8+ 44.Kg6 Ne7+ 45.Kh7 Ke8 46.Qg3 Nf5 47.Qe1+ Kf8 48.Qa5 N7h6 49.Kg6 Ke7 50.Qe5+ Kd7 51.Qd5+ Ke7 52.Qe4+ Kd6 53.Kf6 Ne3 54.Qd3+ Kc6 55.Qc3+ Kd5 56.Qe5+ Kc6 57.Qe4+ Kd6 58.Qd3+
+- (5.79) Depth: 43/98 20:38:19 252803mN, tb=461726Indeed, I can easily reach
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5.h5 Ng8 6.Qa7 Kf8 7.Qa8+ Kg7 8.Qb7 Kf8 9.Qb8+ Kg7 10.Qc7 Kf8 11.Qc8+ Kg7 12.Qd7 Kf8 13.Kg3 Kg7 14.Kf2 Kf8 15.Ke3 Ne5 16.Qe6 Kg7 17.Ke4 Kh7
+- (5.79) Depth: 41/88 00:30:21 6406mN, tb=38553Code: Select all
3...Ne5 4.gxh5 gxh5 5.f4 Ng6 6.Kg3 f5 7.Qc7+ Kh8 8.Qd8+ Kg7 9.Qg5 Kh7 10.Qxh5 Nh8 11.Qe2 N8f7 12.Qe7 Kg6 13.Qe6+ Kg7 14.h5 Kg8 15.Kf3 Kf8 16.Ke2 Kg8 17.Kd3 Kg7 18.Kd4 Kf8 19.Kc5 Kg8 20.Kd5 Kf8 21.Qd7 Kg8 22.Ke6 Kg7 23.Qd4+ Kf8 24.Qc5+ Kg7 25.Qg1+ Kf8 26.Kf6 Ke8 27.Qa7
+- (5.79) Depth: 31/55 00:01:54 442mN, tb=647
3...Ne5 4.gxh5
+- (6.03 --) Depth: 32/65 00:02:46 641mN, tb=1094
3...hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 32/65 00:06:28 1465mN, tb=2833
3...hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 33/65 00:06:28 1466mN, tb=2833
3...hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 34/65 00:06:49 1543mN, tb=3142Code: Select all
2...N5d6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 Kf8 5.Qb4 Kg8 6.Qd4 f5 7.gxf5 Nxf5 8.Qf6 N5h6 9.Qxg6+ Kf8 10.h5 Ng8 11.Qg4 Ngh6 12.Qh4 Kg7 13.Qd4+ Kf8 14.Qc5+ Kg7 15.Qc3+ Kg8 16.Qf6 Kf8 17.Qf4 Kg7 18.Kg3 Kh7 19.Qe4+ Kg7 20.Qg6+ Kf8 21.Kf4 Ng8 22.Qe4 Ngh6 23.Qa8+ Ke7 24.Qc8 Nd6 25.Qc5 Ke6 26.Qe5+ Kd7 27.Qg7+ Ndf7 28.Qf6 Ke8 29.Qg7 Ke7 30.Qh7 Kf8 31.Qd3 Kg7 32.Qg3+ Kf6 33.Qc3+ Ke7 34.Qe1+ Kf6 35.Qg3 Ke7 36.Qa3+
+- (5.79) Depth: 29/69 00:07:30 1656mN, tb=859
2...N5d6 3.g4
+- (6.03 --) Depth: 30/69 00:13:43 3042mN, tb=2086
2...Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5
+- (5.79) Depth: 30/69 00:15:55 3530mN, tb=2461
2...Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5 7.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 31/69 00:18:45 4163mN, tb=2955
2...Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5 7.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 32/69 00:24:33 5487mN, tb=4413Code: Select all
2.Kh3 Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5 7.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 31/74 00:00:05 19355kN, tb=258
2.Kh3 Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5 7.h5
+- (5.79) Depth: 32/74 00:00:08 31114kN, tb=451
2.Kh3 Ne5 3.Qa7+ Nf7 4.g4 hxg4+ 5.fxg4 N5h6 6.Qc5 g5
+- (5.79) Depth: 33/74 00:00:17 68224kN, tb=866
2.Kh3 Ne5
+- (5.55 --) Depth: 34/74 00:01:00 244mN, tb=2018
2.Kh3 Ne5 3.g4 Nh6 4.gxh5
+- (5.79) Depth: 34/74 00:06:31 1519mN, tb=5206
2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+
+- (5.79) Depth: 35/78 00:15:03 3444mN, tb=9245
2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+
+- (5.79) Depth: 36/78 00:16:13 3703mN, tb=11222
2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+
+- (5.79) Depth: 37/78 00:19:45 4505mN, tb=14756
2.Kh3 N5h6
+- (5.55 --) Depth: 38/78 00:21:00 4790mN, tb=17476
2.Kh3 N5h6
+- (5.07 --) Depth: 38/78 00:25:52 5921mN, tb=26143
2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.Qb7 Kf8 9.Qa8+ Kg7 10.Kg3 Ne5 11.Qa7+ Kh8 12.Qb8 Kg7 13.Qc7+ Kh8 14.Qc8 Kg7 15.Qb7+ Kf8 16.Qb6 Kg7 17.Qd8 Kh8 18.Kh3 Kg7 19.Qc7+ Kf8 20.Qh7 Nf7 21.Qc2 Ngh6 22.Qc5+ Ke8 23.Qc8+ Ke7 24.Qb7+ Kf8 25.Qb8+ Kg7 26.Qe8 Ng8 27.Qe3 Ne5 28.Qa7+ Kh8 29.Qa8 Kg7 30.Qa3 Kh8 31.Kg3
+- (4.83) Depth: 38/78 00:40:27 9408mN, tb=39745
2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.Qb7 Kf8 9.Qa8+ Kg7 10.Kg3 Ne5 11.Qa7+ Kh8 12.Qb8 Kg7 13.Qc7+ Kh8 14.Qc8 Kg7 15.Qb7+ Kf8 16.Qb6 Kg7 17.Qd8 Kh8 18.Kh3 Kg7 19.Qc7+ Kf8 20.Qh7 Nf7 21.Qc2 Ngh6 22.Qc5+ Ke8 23.Qc8+ Ke7 24.Qb7+ Kf8 25.Qb8+ Kg7 26.Qe8 Ng8 27.Qe3 Ne5 28.Qa7+ Kh8 29.Qa8 Kg7 30.Qa3 Kh8 31.Kg3
+- (4.83) Depth: 39/78 00:46:05 10778mN, tb=43933Code: Select all
1...Nh6 2.Qc7+ N8f7 3.Qd7 Kf8 4.Kh3 Ng8 5.g4 hxg4+ 6.fxg4 g5 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.h5 Ne5 9.Qc7+ Kf8 10.Qc5+ Kg7 11.Kg3 Kh8 12.Qf8 Nd7 13.Qa3 Ne5 14.Qd6 Kg7 15.Qc5 Kh8
+- (4.83) Depth: 31/59 00:00:23 89981kN, tb=36
1...Nh6 2.Qc7+ N8f7 3.Qd7 Kf8 4.Kh3 Ng8 5.g4 hxg4+ 6.fxg4 g5 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.h5 Ne5 9.Qc7+ Kh8 10.Kg3 Nh6 11.Qd8+ Ng8 12.Kh3 Kg7 13.Qc7+ Kh8
+- (4.83) Depth: 32/59 00:00:31 117mN, tb=61
1...Nh6 2.Qc7+ N8f7 3.Qd7 Kf8 4.Kh3 Ng8 5.g4 hxg4+ 6.fxg4 g5 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.h5 Ne5 9.Qc7+ Kh8 10.Kg3 Nh6 11.Qd8+ Ng8 12.Kh3 Kg7 13.Qc7+ Kh8
+- (4.83) Depth: 33/59 00:00:40 152mN, tb=92
1...Nh6 2.Qc7+ N8f7 3.Qd7 Kf8 4.Kh3 Ng8 5.g4 hxg4+ 6.fxg4 g5 7.Qc8+ Kg7 8.h5 Ne5 9.Qc7+ Kh8 10.Kg3 Nh6 11.Qd8+ Ng8 12.Kh3 Kg7 13.Qe8 Kh8 14.Kg3 Kg7 15.Qd8 Kh8 16.Kh3
+- (4.83) Depth: 34/59 00:01:01 236mN, tb=342
1...Nh6 2.Qb4 N8f7 3.g4 hxg4 4.fxg4 Ng8 5.Qb7 Kf8 6.Qb8+ Kg7 7.Qa7 Ngh6 8.Qd7 Kf8 9.Qc8+ Kg7 10.Qe6 Nd8 11.Qd7+ Ndf7 12.Kg3 g5 13.h5 Kf8 14.Qe6 Kg7 15.Kg2 Ne5 16.Qe7+ Nef7 17.Kf3 f5
+- (4.84) Depth: 35/59 00:03:00 700mN, tb=1245
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 35/60 00:04:42 1092mN, tb=1449
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 36/84 00:04:44 1097mN, tb=1461
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 37/84 00:05:23 1246mN, tb=1591
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 38/84 00:06:30 1502mN, tb=1876
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 39/84 00:08:30 1959mN, tb=2374
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 39/84 00:08:30 1959mN, tb=2374
1...Nf7 2.Kh3 N5h6 3.g4 hxg4+ 4.fxg4 g5 5.h5 Ng8 6.Qc7 Kf8 7.Qb8+ Kg7 8.Qa7 Kf8 9.Kg3 Ne5 10.Qh7 Nf7 11.Kg2 Ngh6 12.Kf3 Ke7 13.Qg7 Ke6 14.Kg3 Ke7 15.Kh3 Ke6 16.Qf8 f5 17.Qe8+ Kf6 18.Qc6+ Ke5 19.gxf5 Nxf5 20.Qg6 N5h6 21.Kg3 Nf5+ 22.Kg4 N5h6+ 23.Kf3 Kd5 24.Qe4+ Kd6 25.Kg3 Kd7 26.Kh3 Kd6 27.Kg2 Kd7 28.Qg6 Ke7 29.Kg3 Kf8 30.Qe6 Kg7 31.Kf3 Kf8 32.Qe4 Ng8 33.Qd4 Ngh6 34.Qb4+ Kg7 35.Qc3+ Kg8 36.Qf6 Kf8 37.Qe6 Ng8 38.Kg3 Ngh6 39.Kh3 Kg7 40.Qb6 Ng8 41.Qg6+ Kf8 42.Kg3 Ngh6 43.Qe6
+- (4.83) Depth: 40/84 00:11:01 2541mN, tb=3787Apparently Stockfish (and Stockfish variants) do better there.
