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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by David Dahlem » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:59 pm

Komodo will still have personalities. One new evaluation terms has been added, rook on the 7th. I read it in a book somewhere that it's good to put a rook on the 7th rank wrote:
Two rooks on the 7th is even better! :P
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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:05 pm

David Dahlem wrote:
Komodo will still have personalities. One new evaluation terms has been added, rook on the 7th. I read it in a book somewhere that it's good to put a rook on the 7th rank wrote:
Two rooks on the 7th is even better!
Yasser Seirawan calls them 'pigs' in that context.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Don » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:05 pm

alpha123 wrote:Wow Don, impressive. I'm looking forward to it.

BTW You are now on my list of programmers that could challenge Vas....
You, Fabien, Anthony Cozzie, and Alex Naumov..... :twisted:

Rybka could actually be in danger, after a few more versions of Komodo.

Congratulations,
Peter
I have very surprised at the rate of improvement myself and I did not expect to release a version so quickly after the previous release. I hope it continues, but I cannot promise that.

Keep in mind that as you get closer to the top it gets much more difficult to continue to find improvements. And there is still a long way to go to beat Rybka.

I expect that at some point soon we will hit a wall and this will requires us to recharge our batteries with some more fundamental and experimental research.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by lkaufman » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:59 pm

The Elo increase depends on time limit (almost always, the faster the rate of play, the greater the increase due mostly to less draws). We're saying at least 40 because our tests indicate a gain of more than 50 in bullet chess. The biggest change in chess knowledge in this version is that the relative values of the pieces in all phases of the game are much more correct now. Unlike some other programs which tune their weights automatically in hyperbullet games for optimum performance, we consider a variety of factors including my subjective opinion as a grandmaster in setting weights. My hope is that such weights will actually prove superior in games at normal time limits, but this remains to be proven. At the very least it should make for evaluations that seem more correct to strong human players.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Arturo Ochoa » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:37 pm

Damir wrote:Sorry forgot the link. Here it is:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=15105
Besides of being forced to read this forum, since I still work with one engine, The Baron, as a booker and I must be up-to-date of the new coming, I hope that Komodo's Authors keep some savviness and canniness.

Any "melange" with that boring, nasty, obsessive and excessive subject that frighten any human in normal mind status, would be another infamous momentous of the last months in this forum.

Welcome to the new real star.... (if it is true)

/A8A.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Uri Blass » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:40 pm

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lkaufman wrote:The Elo increase depends on time limit (almost always, the faster the rate of play, the greater the increase due mostly to less draws).
I think that it is dependent on the change that you do

I read that one of the improvement is better move ordering and I think that I can expect it to help more in longer time control.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Uri Blass » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:00 am

Don wrote:
Highendman wrote:I'm looking forward to taking a new exciting legit engine for a spin.
In your tests, what's the ELO increase vs. Doch?
Another question: do you explicitly try 'give it a playing style' or is it more about tuning eval/search, and whatever gets the highest elo you're happy with?
We try to make the engine play as much in a human style as possible, but currently strength trumps style. When it's a close call we try to make it evaluate more like a human grandmaster would.
If you try the engine to play as much in a human style then it may be good if you change the evaluation to evaluate branches and not leaves(I think that it is a good idea in many games and not only in chess).

The idea is that if I calculate some line and see that the position becomes better for me then it should increase the evaluation and not everything is static knowledge.


I will give an example.
When you calculate a line you can evaluate every node in the branch.


If you calculate in some line something like
1.a4 evaluation 0.20 for black
1...Rb8 evaluation 0.20 for black
2.a5 evaluation 0.10 for black
2...Ra8 evaluation 0.09 for black
3.b4 evaluation 0.00

Then the final evaluation should be better than 0.00 because white improved the position.

practically you have an array of number of static evaluations from white point of view.

eval[0]=-0.20(evaluation of the root)
eval[1]=-0.20(evaluation of the position 1 ply after the root)
eval[2[=-0.10(evaluation of the position 2 plies after the root)
eval[3]=-0.09(evaluation of the position 3 plies after the root)
eval[4]=0.00(evaluation of the position 4 plies after the root)

I think that you should have a function that translate this array to a number that is bigger than 0.00 for white.

Humans do not think in terms of exact numbers but they can think that some idea is good because they can improve the position based on their calculation.

Uri

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by Leto » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:31 am

two games between Komodo 64 vs Naum x64 1CPU, 40/4:

[Event "Komodo testing 1"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2010.01.21"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Komodo64 1.0 JA"]
[Black "Naum 4 x64 1CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A25"]
[Annotator "0.29;0.09"]
[PlyCount "221"]
[EventDate "2010.01.21"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[TimeControl "40/180:0/0:0/0"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHzW=21.8 ply; 2,367kN/s; Perfect
v8.32.ctg B=20.6 ply; 1,485kN/s; Perfect v8.32.ctg} 1. c4 {B/0 0} e5 {B/0 0}
2. g3 {B/0 0} Nc6 {B/0 0} 3. Bg2 {B/0 0} Nf6 {B/0 0} 4. Nc3 {B/0 0} Bc5 {B/0 0}
5. a3 {B/0 0} a6 {B/0 0} 6. b4 {B/0 0} Ba7 {B/0 0} 7. Bb2 {B/0 0} O-O {B/0 0}
8. e3 {B/0 0} d6 {B/0 0} 9. Nge2 {B/0 0} Re8 {B/0 0} 10. Qc2 {0.29/14 5} Bg4 {
(Ne7) 0.09/15 4} 11. h3 {(Nd5) 0.47/15 4} Bh5 {(Be6) 0.08/15 5} 12. d3 {(0-0)
0.42/16 3} Qd7 {(Bg6) 0.11/16 11} 13. O-O {(g4) 0.36/14 5} h6 {(Bg6) 0.16/15 12
} 14. g4 {(Rac1) 0.38/13 4} Bg6 {0.08/16 6} 15. Rac1 {(Ng3) 0.33/15 8} Bb6 {
(Rab8) 0.04/15 8} 16. Ng3 {0.47/15 8} Rab8 {(Rad8) 0.09/14 11} 17. Bf3 {(Nce4)
0.40/14 3} a5 {(Ne7) 0.00/16 10} 18. b5 {0.35/16 5} Nd8 {0.00/17 2} 19. Na4 {
0.46/16 6} Ne6 {0.07/16 3} 20. Rfd1 {(Nxb6) 0.40/16 20} Nc5 {0.03/16 10} 21.
Nxc5 {(Ne4) 0.40/17 4} Bxc5 {0.03/17 13} 22. Qd2 {0.45/17 7} Bb6 {(a4) 0.03/16
7} 23. Bc3 {(a4) 0.41/15 4} Bc5 {(a4) 0.19/15 5} 24. a4 {(Bxa5) 0.72/16 4} e4 {
(c6) 0.17/14 5} 25. dxe4 {(Be2) 0.49/16 4} Nxe4 {0.08/15 3} 26. Bxe4 {0.67/17 4
} Bxe4 {0.09/16 2} 27. Qb2 {(Nxe4) 0.54/17 7} f5 {(f6) 0.00/13 2} 28. gxf5 {0.
38/15 4} Bxf5 {0.00/14 3} 29. Bxg7 {(Nxf5) 0.32/16 3} Bxh3 {0.19/13 2} 30. Bxh6
{(Bd4) 0.30/16 3} Re6 {0.00/15 2} 31. Bf4 {0.30/16 3} Rg6 {0.00/16 3} 32. Rd5 {
0.28/16 12} Bf5 {(Qf7) 0.00/16 5} 33. Qd2 {(Kf1) 0.14/14 6} Ba3 {(Bb4) -0.18/
15 4} 34. Rd1 {(Ra1) 0.00/15 7} Be4 {-0.27/14 4} 35. Rh5 {0.20/14 3} Bf3 {-0.
14/15 6} 36. Rh4 {(Rh2) 0.13/15 3} Qg7 {-0.22/15 5} 37. Rb1 {(Qd4) 0.13/15 3}
Qf6 {(Be4) -0.26/15 7} 38. Qd3 {(Rh2) 0.22/15 3} Re8 {-0.28/15 3} 39. Bh6 {
(Kf1) 0.19/15 3} Bg4 {-0.26/14 4} 40. Kf1 {(Qd5+) 0.16/15 4} Bc5 {(Bb4) -0.33/
16 13} 41. Bf4 {0.16/16 4} Re6 {(Bf3) -0.33/16 4} 42. Rh2 {0.19/17 4} Bf3 {-0.
34/16 2} 43. Re1 {(Rh3) 0.14/16 3} Bb4 {-0.33/15 5} 44. Rc1 {(Rb1) 0.14/17 4}
b6 {(Qb2) -0.23/15 6} 45. Rb1 {0.20/16 7} Qg7 {(Re8) -0.24/15 6} 46. Qb3 {(Rc1)
0.14/16 3} Qf7 {(Qf6) -0.33/15 3} 47. Qb2 {(Qd3) 0.06/17 5} Rg7 {(Qf6) -0.48/
16 3} 48. Qc2 {0.00/18 3} Reg6 {(Qg6) -0.48/16 8} 49. Rc1 {-0.46/16 6} Qe6 {-0.
46/16 5} 50. Rh4 {-0.25/18 7} Ba3 {-0.41/16 5} 51. Re1 {-0.31/19 5} Rh7 {-0.54/
16 7} 52. Rxh7 {-0.27/14 0} Kxh7 {-0.54/6 0} 53. Qf5 {-0.27/17 3} Qxc4+ {-0.51/
16 2} 54. Kg1 {-0.35/16 5} Qe6 {(Bb2) -0.43/17 9} 55. Qxe6 {-0.45/18 5} Rxe6 {
-0.43/6 0} 56. Nf5 {-0.44/17 4} Bc5 {-0.51/17 4} 57. Kh2 {-0.33/17 3} Be4 {-0.
49/17 2} 58. Ng3 {(Nd4) -0.46/18 4} Bd5 {(Bc2) -0.46/16 4} 59. Ra1 {(Kh3) -0.
46/16 3} Kg6 {-0.49/17 5} 60. Kh3 {(Ne2) -0.47/18 4} Re8 {-0.56/16 3} 61. Kg4 {
-0.53/18 6} Rf8 {(Bb3) -0.57/16 2} 62. e4 {-0.47/17 5} Be6+ {-0.72/16 7} 63.
Kf3 {-0.66/20 4} Bxf2 {-0.56/16 2} 64. Rh1 {-0.65/20 4} Bc5 {(Bxg3) -0.50/16 6}
65. Rh6+ {-0.62/19 3} Kf7 {-0.45/18 2} 66. Rh7+ {-0.67/18 6} Ke8 {-0.47/19 6}
67. Rxc7 {-0.71/21 4} Rf7 {-0.60/19 10} 68. Rxf7 {-0.70/22 4} Bxf7 {-0.47/20 6}
69. e5 {-0.80/21 4} d5 {(Bb3) -0.43/20 6} 70. Nf5 {-0.60/19 8} Bh5+ {(Bg6) -0.
72/19 3} 71. Kg3 {-0.76/21 5} Bd1 {(Kf7) -0.72/20 3} 72. Be3 {-0.61/21 4} Bxe3
{-0.92/21 4} 73. Nxe3 {-0.65/19 1} Bb3 {-0.58/21 4} 74. Kf4 {(Kf3) -0.64/24 4}
Kd7 {-0.92/23 5} 75. Nf5 {-0.56/25 4} Bxa4 {-0.92/23 2} 76. Nd4 {-0.55/25 4}
Bd1 {-0.92/24 3} 77. Ke3 {-0.54/26 4} Bh5 {(Bg4) -0.92/25 5} 78. Kd3 {(Kd2) -0.
54/26 8} Bg6+ {(Ke7) -0.92/26 10} 79. Kc3 {-0.55/27 4} Be4 {(Be8) -0.92/25 5}
80. Kb3 {(Kb2) -1.00/27 9} Bb1 {(Bd3) -0.92/26 4} 81. Kb2 {(Kc3) -0.65/27 4}
Bd3 {(Bh7) -0.92/27 3} 82. Kc3 {-0.96/26 4} Bg6 {-0.92/26 4} 83. Kb3 {(Kd2) -1.
19/26 7} Be4 {(Ke7) -0.92/27 13} 84. Kc3 {(Kb2) -1.20/26 5} Ke7 {-0.92/26 3}
85. Kb3 {-1.22/24 3} Bg6 {-0.92/26 2} 86. Kc3 {-0.94/26 4} Be8 {(Bb1) -0.92/25
2} 87. Kb3 {(Nf5+) -1.20/24 3} Bh5 {(Bd7) -0.92/25 3} 88. Nf5+ {(Kc2) -1.11/23
3} Kd8 {(Kd7) -0.92/24 3} 89. Kc3 {-1.20/24 4} Bg6 {(Kd7) -0.92/24 2} 90. Nd4 {
-1.28/25 5} Be4 {(Ke7) -0.92/26 5} 91. Nc6+ {(Ne2) -1.19/25 3} Kc7 {-0.92/26 4}
92. Nd4 {-1.19/26 5} Bg2 {-0.92/26 4} 93. Nf5 {(Ne2) -1.23/25 4} Kd7 {(Kd8) -0.
92/26 4} 94. Nd4 {-1.37/27 11} Bf1 {-0.92/27 4} 95. Kb3 {(Kb2) -1.15/26 5} Bc4+
{(Ke7) -0.92/28 2} 96. Ka4 {(Kc3) -1.20/26 4} Bd3 {(Ke7) -0.92/28 2} 97. Ka3 {
(Kb3) -1.21/24 3} Ke7 {(Ke8) -0.92/28 3} 98. Kb3 {(Kb2) -1.25/26 3} Be4 {-0.92/
27 4} 99. Kc3 {-1.30/27 3} Kf7 {-0.92/26 2} 100. Kb3 {(Kd2) -1.63/22 4} Bg6 {
(Kg6) -0.92/27 4} 101. Kc3 {-1.21/21 4} Ke7 {-0.92/27 10} 102. Ne2 {-1.22/24 3}
Bb1 {(Bh5) -0.92/26 4} 103. Kd4 {(Nd4) -0.45/25 4} Ba2 {(a4) -1.23/23 2} 104.
Nc3 {-0.05/28 4} Bb3 {-1.23/26 3} 105. Nxd5+ {-0.05/30 5} Bxd5 {-1.23/29 3}
106. Kxd5 {-0.05/30 1} a4 {(Kd8) -1.23/30 3} 107. Kc4 {(Kd4) 0.00/38 3} Kd7 {
(Ke6) -1.23/33 4} 108. Kb4 {0.00/41 4} Ke6 {-1.12/40 3} 109. Kxa4 {0.00/86 4}
Kxe5 {0.00/0 1} 110. Kb3 {0.00/0 0} Kd5 {0.00/0 0} 111. Kb4 {0.00/0 0} 1/2-1/2


[Event "Komodo testing 1"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2010.01.21"]
[Round "2.1"]
[White "Naum 4 x64 1CPU"]
[Black "Komodo64 1.0 JA"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B80"]
[Annotator "0.28;0.29"]
[PlyCount "341"]
[EventDate "2010.01.21"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[TimeControl "40/180:0/0:0/0"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHzW=24.8 ply; 1,668kN/s; Perfect
v8.32.ctg B=26.1 ply; 2,689kN/s; Perfect v8.32.ctg} 1. Nf3 {B/0 0} c5 {B/0 0}
2. e4 {B/0 0} Nc6 {B/0 0} 3. d4 {B/0 0} cxd4 {B/0 0} 4. Nxd4 {B/0 0} e6 {B/0 0}
5. Nc3 {B/0 0} Qc7 {B/0 0} 6. g3 {B/0 0} a6 {B/0 0} 7. Bg2 {B/0 0} Nf6 {B/0 0}
8. O-O {B/0 0} d6 {B/0 0} 9. Re1 {B/0 0} Rb8 {B/0 0} 10. Nxc6 {B/0 0} bxc6 {B/
0 0} 11. Qd3 {0.28/13 6} Be7 {0.29/15 6} 12. a3 {(e5) 0.19/13 6} O-O {-0.03/15
4} 13. Rb1 {(b3) 0.08/15 10} e5 {(a5) -0.11/16 6} 14. b4 {(b3) 0.06/15 6} h6 {
(Be6) -0.16/15 6} 15. Bd2 {(h3) 0.06/15 6} Rd8 {-0.18/15 7} 16. Qe2 {(Qc4) 0.
00/15 5} Be6 {-0.14/15 4} 17. Bf3 {0.00/16 9} Re8 {(Qb6) -0.21/16 15} 18. Kg2 {
(Qxa6) 0.00/15 6} Rbc8 {(Ra8) -0.29/14 3} 19. Rb2 {(Qxa6) 0.00/14 5} Qa7 {(Rb8)
-0.25/14 5} 20. Be3 {(Qe3) 0.00/13 5} Qb7 {-0.27/15 7} 21. Bd2 {0.00/13 6} Rb8
{(Qa7) -0.24/16 19} 22. Rbb1 {0.00/15 8} Qa7 {(Qb6) -0.19/14 3} 23. Qd3 {(Be3)
0.00/15 6} Red8 {-0.25/13 3} 24. Qe2 {0.00/14 8} Rd7 {(Qd4) -0.29/14 4} 25. Na4
{(Qe3) 0.02/15 8} Rdb7 {(Rdd8) -0.19/14 6} 26. Ra1 {(Nc3) 0.02/14 5} Rc7 {(Rd7)
-0.11/13 5} 27. c4 {(Rab1) 0.13/14 6} Rcc8 {(c5) -0.07/14 5} 28. c5 {(Rab1) 0.
12/14 7} dxc5 {-0.02/16 4} 29. Be3 {0.10/15 3} Nd7 {0.05/16 3} 30. Bg4 {0.16/
16 4} Bxg4 {0.16/16 6} 31. Qxg4 {0.16/6 0} Qc7 {(g6) 0.17/16 4} 32. Bxh6 {0.33/
16 7} g6 {0.00/17 3} 33. Red1 {0.33/17 4} Nf6 {0.09/17 3} 34. Qf3 {(Qh4) 0.35/
17 6} cxb4 {0.19/17 4} 35. Nc5 {0.36/17 10} Qa7 {(Bxc5) 0.47/17 4} 36. axb4 {
0.36/16 3} Rxb4 {0.42/18 4} 37. Nxa6 {0.37/17 5} Rd4 {0.52/18 4} 38. Rdc1 {0.
41/17 8} Qd7 {0.54/17 3} 39. Nc5 {0.41/17 6} Qg4 {0.59/18 9} 40. Ra7 {0.44/18 6
} Qxf3+ {0.57/16 3} 41. Kxf3 {0.44/6 0} Bxc5 {0.55/18 4} 42. Rxc5 {0.46/18 6}
Nxe4 {0.60/18 4} 43. Rxe5 {0.46/18 2} Nd6 {0.58/17 6} 44. Be3 {(Kg2) 0.44/17 4}
Rd3 {0.58/17 3} 45. Ke2 {0.43/16 2} Rb3 {0.66/18 7} 46. Ree7 {0.49/16 4} Rf8 {
0.68/17 5} 47. Red7 {(Bc5) 0.46/16 2} Nb5 {0.68/16 9} 48. Ra6 {0.51/17 7} Rc8 {
0.72/17 3} 49. h4 {(Kf3) 0.48/17 8} Kg7 {(Kf8) 0.60/15 3} 50. Kf1 {(Kf3) 0.65/
16 3} Kf6 {(c5) 0.91/16 4} 51. Bg5+ {0.74/16 3} Kg7 {0.99/18 4} 52. Rb6 {0.77/
18 4} Rb1+ {0.96/18 4} 53. Kg2 {0.78/19 2} Nc3 {1.11/20 4} 54. Rxb1 {0.77/19 3}
Nxb1 {1.02/17 0} 55. Bc1 {(Rd3) 0.78/19 3} Kg8 {1.14/18 3} 56. Rd3 {0.90/18 2}
Rb8 {1.19/19 4} 57. Be3 {0.89/19 4} Kg7 {1.13/20 18} 58. Bf4 {(Kf3) 0.91/19 8}
Rb5 {1.11/18 4} 59. Rd6 {0.90/19 5} Nc3 {1.13/18 3} 60. Rxc6 {0.88/19 5} Nd5 {
1.11/18 6} 61. Bd6 {0.95/19 7} f5 {(f6) 1.12/18 4} 62. Be5+ {0.98/18 4} Kf7 {
1.10/19 4} 63. Kh3 {(Kf3) 0.97/19 7} Rb6 {(Rb1) 1.05/19 5} 64. Rxb6 {(Rc1) 1.
03/20 2} Nxb6 {1.10/20 0} 65. Bc3 {(Bd4) 1.03/22 2} Ke6 {1.05/21 3} 66. Kg2 {
1.03/23 3} Nd5 {(Na4) 1.20/24 4} 67. Bd4 {1.03/23 4} Kd6 {(Ne7) 1.19/22 5} 68.
f3 {(Kf3) 1.03/24 7} Kc6 {(Ke6) 1.27/21 5} 69. Kf2 {1.03/22 3} Nb4 {(Kd6) 1.27/
22 3} 70. g4 {(Ke3) 1.16/21 4} fxg4 {1.28/24 4} 71. fxg4 {1.16/23 4} Kd5 {1.37/
24 3} 72. Bc3 {1.15/24 3} Nc6 {1.33/26 4} 73. Kf3 {(Ke3) 1.04/25 5} Ke6 {(Nd8)
1.14/25 3} 74. Kf4 {(Ke4) 1.15/25 4} Nd8 {(Kf7) 1.14/27 4} 75. Ke4 {(Bd2) 1.15/
26 5} Nf7 {(Kf7) 1.15/28 3} 76. Bb2 {(Bg7) 1.15/27 6} Kd6 {(Nd8) 1.16/28 5} 77.
Kf4 {(Bf6) 1.15/26 4} Kd5 {(Ke6) 1.14/28 5} 78. Bc3 {(Bg7) 1.15/27 6} Kd6 {
(Ke6) 1.14/27 6} 79. Ba5 {(Bd4) 1.15/26 4} Ke6 {1.19/26 4} 80. Bc7 {1.15/28 6}
Kd5 {(Kf6) 1.15/27 4} 81. Kf3 {(Bb6) 1.15/26 3} Kc6 {1.19/25 3} 82. Bb8 {(Bg3)
1.15/26 2} Kd5 {1.16/27 3} 83. Kf4 {(Bg3) 1.15/27 3} Ke6 {1.14/27 4} 84. Ba7 {
(Ke4) 1.15/27 2} Kd5 {(Nd8) 1.18/27 3} 85. Bf2 {(Be3) 1.15/26 3} Nd6 {(Ke6) 1.
14/25 8} 86. Bg1 {1.15/25 4} Ke6 {(Nf7) 1.16/26 3} 87. Bd4 {(Kg5) 1.15/25 2}
Nf7 {(Kf7) 1.15/28 4} 88. Ba1 {(Bg7) 1.15/27 3} Nd8 {1.15/29 4} 89. Bc3 {(Bb2)
1.15/27 3} Nf7 {(Kf7) 1.16/28 6} 90. Bd4 {1.15/28 5} Nd8 {1.15/27 3} 91. Ba1 {
(Bb2) 1.15/27 2} Nf7 {(Kf7) 1.14/27 4} 92. Bg7 {1.15/29 4} Nd8 {1.14/27 5} 93.
Ke4 {(Be5) 1.15/28 4} Nf7 {(Kf7) 1.26/24 3} 94. Bd4 {(Kd4) 1.15/27 2} Ke7 {
(Nd6+) 1.21/26 3} 95. Ba1 {(Kf3) 1.15/25 4} Ke6 {1.16/27 4} 96. Bc3 {(Bg7) 1.
15/27 3} Nd6+ {1.16/26 6} 97. Kf3 {(Ke3) 1.15/27 2} Kd5 {(Nb7) 1.20/23 4} 98.
Kf4 {(Bg7) 1.15/25 2} Ke6 {(Nf7) 1.22/26 8} 99. Be1 {(Kg5) 1.15/27 6} Nf7 {
(Nb5) 1.14/24 3} 100. Ba5 {(Bb4) 1.15/27 4} Ke7 {(Ne5) 1.15/26 4} 101. Ke4 {
(Bb4+) 1.15/27 5} Ke6 {1.12/27 6} 102. Bc7 {1.15/27 2} Nh6 {(Kf6) 1.05/25 4}
103. Kf3 {(Kf4) 1.15/27 2} Nf7 {1.12/27 4} 104. Bg3 {(Kf4) 1.15/28 4} Ke7 {
(Kd5) 1.12/26 4} 105. Bh2 {(Kf4) 1.15/28 4} Ke6 {(Kf6) 1.17/28 4} 106. Bc7 {1.
15/28 4} Kd5 {(Nh6) 1.15/26 4} 107. Ba5 {(Bf4) 1.15/28 7} Ne5+ {(Nd6) 1.17/26 4
} 108. Kf4 {1.15/28 6} Ke6 {1.19/26 4} 109. Bc7 {(Kg3) 1.15/28 6} Nf7 {(Nd3+)
1.16/28 4} 110. Bb8 {(Bb6) 1.15/28 3} Kd5 {(Kf6) 1.14/29 5} 111. Ba7 {(Ke3) 1.
04/28 13} Ke6 {(Ne5) 1.17/28 4} 112. Bf2 {(Bd4) 1.15/28 10} Nd6 {(Ne5) 1.16/26
5} 113. Bc5 {(Bd4) 1.15/27 3} Nc4 {1.18/28 4} 114. Bd4 {(Kg5) 1.15/26 4} Nd6 {
1.18/28 4} 115. Bb2 {(Kg5) 0.96/26 17} Nc4 {(Kf7) 1.17/27 4} 116. Bg7 {0.95/26
7} Nd6 {(Kf7) 1.17/28 4} 117. Kg5 {(Bd4) 0.92/25 8} Kf7 {1.16/29 4} 118. Bd4 {
(Be5) 0.86/26 5} Nb5 {(Ne4+) 1.15/27 5} 119. Be5 {(Bf2) 0.86/27 6} Ke6 {(Na3)
1.16/29 4} 120. Kf4 {(Bb8) 0.86/27 8} Na3 {1.15/27 6} 121. g5 {(Bc3) 0.86/28 4}
Nc4 {0.66/26 6} 122. Bd4 {0.86/27 2} Nd6 {0.67/30 5} 123. Bc3 {0.86/27 3} Nf5 {
0.71/27 3} 124. Be1 {0.86/27 2} Ng7 {(Ne7) 0.68/30 4} 125. Ke4 {0.85/26 3} Kd6
{(Nf5) 0.64/28 4} 126. Bf2 {0.85/26 5} Nh5 {(Ke6) 0.65/29 4} 127. Be3 {(Bd4) 0.
85/27 3} Ng3+ {(Ke6) 0.63/28 4} 128. Kf3 {0.85/27 6} Nh5 {(Nf5) 0.61/29 4} 129.
Bf4+ {0.85/29 5} Kd5 {0.63/30 3} 130. Bh2 {(Bc7) 0.85/29 3} Ng7 {0.46/31 11}
131. Bg3 {(Kg4) 0.85/29 4} Ne6 {(Nf5) 0.46/31 5} 132. Ke3 {(Kg4) 0.85/27 4} Nd4
{0.46/31 4} 133. Kf4 {0.85/28 3} Ne6+ {(Ne2+) 0.46/31 4} 134. Kf3 {(Kg4) 0.75/
28 4} Kd4 {(Nd4+) 0.46/31 6} 135. Bh2 {(Bf2+) 0.75/28 4} Kd5 {0.46/31 4} 136.
Ke3 {(Bb8) 0.75/28 3} Nd4 {0.46/31 3} 137. Kf4 {0.75/28 2} Ne6+ {0.46/29 5}
138. Kg4 {0.75/30 4} Kd4 {(Ke4) 0.60/28 19} 139. Bf4 {(Bd6) 0.75/26 2} Ng7 {
(Ke4) 0.46/30 3} 140. Bc7 {(Bg3) 0.75/28 4} Ne6 {(Ke4) 0.65/30 5} 141. Bb6+ {
(Bg3) 0.75/28 4} Ke4 {(Ke5) 0.47/30 3} 142. Bg1 {(Bf2) 0.75/29 3} Nf4 {(Nd8) 0.
46/32 4} 143. Bc5 {0.75/28 5} Ne6 {(Ng2) 0.46/31 4} 144. Bb6 {(Bd6) 0.75/29 2}
Nf4 {(Ng7) 0.46/33 4} 145. Bf2 {(Ba7) 0.75/29 3} Ne6 {0.46/32 4} 146. Bg3 {
(Be1) 0.75/30 5} Ng7 {(Kd5) 0.46/29 3} 147. Be1 {0.75/30 6} Nh5 {(Nf5) 0.00/31
3} 148. Bd2 {(Bb4) 0.75/31 6} Ng7 {0.00/33 3} 149. Bb4 {(Ba5) 0.75/31 5} Nh5 {
(Nf5) 0.00/35 6} 150. Bf8 {(Bc3) 0.75/31 3} Kd4 {(Nf4) 0.00/32 4} 151. Bd6 {
(Ba3) 0.75/32 5} Ke4 {0.00/36 5} 152. Ba3 {(Bf8) 0.75/32 4} Nf4 {(Ng7) 0.00/38
3} 153. Be7 {(Bd6) 0.75/30 6} Nh5 {(Ne6) 0.00/37 6} 154. Bc5 {(Bf6) 0.75/32 6}
Kd5 {(Ng7) 0.00/35 3} 155. Bf2 {(Bb4) 0.75/32 4} Ke4 {(Ng7) 0.00/37 6} 156. Be1
{(Bb6) 0.75/32 7} Ke5 {(Ng7) 0.00/37 5} 157. Bc3+ {(Bb4) 0.75/32 7} Ke4 {(Kd6)
0.00/36 3} 158. Bb4 {(Bb2) 0.75/32 7} Nf4 {(Ng7) 0.00/37 4} 159. Ba3 {(Bf8) 0.
75/31 11} Nh5 {(Ne6) 0.00/38 3} 160. Bd6 {(Bb4) 0.75/33 12} Kd5 {(Ng7) 0.00/37
5} 161. Bh2 {(Bb4) 0.75/32 3} Ke4 {(Ng7) 0.00/35 3} 162. Bc7 {(Bb8) 0.75/32 17}
Kd5 {(Ng7) 0.00/34 3} 163. Kf3 {0.75/29 3} Ng7 {0.00/34 6} 164. Bb8 {(Bg3) 0.
75/27 16} Kd4 {(Ne6) 0.00/34 6} 165. Bf4 {(Bh2) 0.75/28 6} Nf5 {0.00/33 3} 166.
Bg3 {(Kg4) 0.75/28 3} Ng7 {(Kd5) 0.00/35 5} 167. Bf2+ {(Bc7) 0.75/27 3} Ke5 {
(Kd5) 0.00/33 4} 168. Kg4 {(Ke3) 0.75/28 9} Kd5 {(Nf5) 0.00/36 3} 169. Be1 {
(Kf3) 0.75/30 3} Kd4 {(Ke4) 0.00/35 5} 170. Kf3 {(Ba5) 0.00/24 4} Nh5 {(Kd3) 0.
00/36 10} 171. Bb4 {0.00/60 0} 1/2-1/2

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by lkaufman » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:35 am

I taught Rybka 3 that two rooks on the seventh were worth more than two times one rook there, and it probably made R3 something like one Elo point stronger. We're not yet down to looking for single Elo point improvements in Komodo, so at this point Komodo only gets double credit for two rooks on the seventh, not more.

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Re: Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

Post by lkaufman » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:36 am

That name "pigs" for rooks on the 7th was around before Yasser was.

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