Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

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jp
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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by jp » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:14 am

jp wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:00 am
jp wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:05 pm


The Chessbase human games-trained NN is reported to have eval -1.22, and SF 0.00. (Nodes/Depth not known.)
SF-non-dev, depth=48:

0.00 29.Rxb7 Kh8 30.Nb5 Rg8 31.Bg3 h4 32.Bxf4 Bxf4 33.Qf2 Qh6 34.Qa7 Be3 35.Rh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxe3 Rg6 37.Nc3 Qd7 38.Qf2 Kg8 39.Nd1 Rg7 40.Qxh4 Qa7 41.Nf2 Bd7 42.Ng4 Bxg4 43.fxg4 Qxa2 44.Qd8+ Kh7 45.Qf6 Qa1 46.Qf5+ Rg6 47.Qf7+ Rg7

Louis, can you see what SF-dev or Lc says??
5rk1/NpR5/3p1q1b/3Pp2p/4Pn2/5P1b/PPQ2B1P/4N2K w - - 9 29

SF-non-dev, depth=50, PV=2:

0.00 29.Rxb7 Kh8 30.Nb5 Rg8 31.Bg3 h4 32.Bxf4 Bxf4 33.Qf2 Qh6 34.Qa7 Be3 35.Rh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxe3 Rg7 37.Na3 Qg6 38.Qf2 Kg8 39.Nc4 Qg5 40.b3 Qc1 41.Qxh4 Rg5 42.f4 Rg6 43.fxe5 Qd1 44.Ne3 Qe2 45.Qd8+ Kh7 46.Qe7+ Kh8 47.Qh4+
-0.55 29.Nc8 Re8 30.Nb6 Kh8 31.Bg3 Rg8 32.Qf2 Ng6 33.Rxb7 h4 34.Nc4 hxg3 35.hxg3 Nf4 36.gxf4 Bxf4 37.Nxd6 Qxd6 38.Qh4+ Qh6 39.Qxh6+ Bxh6 40.Re7 Rg6 41.Rxe5 Kg7 42.Rh5 Bf1 43.Rh4 Bd2 44.Nc2 Bg2+ 45.Kh2 Bg5 46.Kxg2 Bxh4+ 47.Kf1 Ra6 48.Nb4 Ra8 49.Ke2 Kf7 50.a3 Bf6 51.Nd3 Bd4 52.f4 Rb8 53.e5 Bxb2 54.Nxb2 Rxb2+ 55.Kd3 Ra2 56.Ke4 Re2+ 57.Kd4 Re1 58.f5 Ra1 59.d6 Rxa3 60.Ke4 Ra4+ 61.Ke3 Rg4


I'm beginning to wonder if it really is a draw.

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by zullil » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:46 am

jp wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:00 am
jp wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:05 pm


The Chessbase human games-trained NN is reported to have eval -1.22, and SF 0.00. (Nodes/Depth not known.)
SF-non-dev, depth=48:

0.00 29.Rxb7 Kh8 30.Nb5 Rg8 31.Bg3 h4 32.Bxf4 Bxf4 33.Qf2 Qh6 34.Qa7 Be3 35.Rh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxe3 Rg6 37.Nc3 Qd7 38.Qf2 Kg8 39.Nd1 Rg7 40.Qxh4 Qa7 41.Nf2 Bd7 42.Ng4 Bxg4 43.fxg4 Qxa2 44.Qd8+ Kh7 45.Qf6 Qa1 46.Qf5+ Rg6 47.Qf7+ Rg7

Louis, can you see what SF-dev or Lc says??
Lc0 (network 320x24.J13-swa-410000) with 100M nodes gives:

info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -56 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 1 pv a7c8 f8e8 c8b6 g8h8 f2g3 e8g8 c2f2 f4g6 b6c4 h5h4 c7b7 h4g3 h2g3 g6f4 g3f4 h6f4 c4d6 f6d6 f2h4 d6h6 h4h6 f4h6 b7e7 g8g6 e7e5 h8g7 e5h5 h3f1 h5h4 h6d2 e1c2 f1g2 h1h2 d2g5 c2d4 g5h4 d4f5 g7f8 f5h4 g6h6 h2g3 g2f1 h4f5 h6a6 e4e5 f1d3 f5d4 a6a5 d5d6 a5d5 d4e6 f8f7 e6g5 f7e8 g3f4 e8d7 a2a3 d5c5 g5e4 d3e4 f4e4 d7e6 f3f4 c5c4 e4f3 c4a4 b2b4 e6d5 f3g4 a4a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7f8 a3a4 d5e6 a4a5 f8b8 a5a6 e6d7 a6a7 b8a8 g4f5 a8a7 f5e4 a7a1 e4d5 a1d1 d5c5 d7e6 b4b5 d1c1 c5d4 c1f1 d4c5 f1f4

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0907 07:33:26.105573 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:384] Stopped search: Reached visits limit: 100000007>=100000000
0907 07:33:26.108144 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -56 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 1 pv a7c8 f8e8 c8b6 g8h8 f2g3 e8g8 c2f2 f4g6 b6c4 h5h4 c7b7 h4g3 h2g3 g6f4 g3f4 h6f4 c4d6 f6d6 f2h4 d6h6 h4h6 f4h6 b7e7 g8g6 e7e5 h8g7 e5h5 h3f1 h5h4 h6d2 e1c2 f1g2 h1h2 d2g5 c2d4 g5h4 d4f5 g7f8 f5h4 g6h6 h2g3 g2f1 h4f5 h6a6 e4e5 f1d3 f5d4 a6a5 d5d6 a5d5 d4e6 f8f7 e6g5 f7e8 g3f4 e8d7 a2a3 d5c5 g5e4 d3e4 f4e4 d7e6 f3f4 c5c4 e4f3 c4a4 b2b4 e6d5 f3g4 a4a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7f8 a3a4 d5e6 a4a5 f8b8 a5a6 e6d7 a6a7 b8a8 g4f5 a8a7 f5e4 a7a1 e4d5 a1d1 d5c5 d7e6 b4b5 d1c1 c5d4 c1f1 d4c5 f1f4
0907 07:33:26.108185 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -76 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 2 pv c7b7 g8h8 a7b5 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 c2c7 f6g6 c7d6 h4g3 d6g6 g8g6 h2g3 g6g3 b5d6 h8g8 b7b8 g8g7 b8b7 g7g6 b7b8 h6g7 b8b6 g6h5 h1h2 g3g6 d6c4 g7f6 c4e3 h3d7 e1g2 f4e2 b6b7 g6g7 e3c4
0907 07:33:26.108198 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -126 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 3 pv a7b5 f4g2 c7c3 f6g6 f2g3 g2e3 c2e2 h3f1 e2f2 f1b5 c3e3 h6e3 f2e3 f8f7 e1g2 b5d7 g2h4 g6f6 h1g2 f7f8 g2f1 f8c8 e3d2 g8h7 f1e1 f6d8 g3f2 c8c4 b2b3 c4c8 e1d1 d8f6
0907 07:33:26.108208 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -92 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 4 pv c7c3 g8h8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 h6f4 c2f2 f6h6 a7b5 f8g8 c3d3 g8g7 b5c3 f4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2e3 h6h4 h1g1 g3g2 f3f4 h3d7 e1g2
0907 07:33:26.108218 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -250 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 5 pv f2e3 f4g2 e1g2 h6e3 a7c8 g8h8 c8e7 e3b6 g2h4 f8g8 c2c1 b6c7 e7g8 f6h4 g8e7 h4f6 e7f5 c7d8 c1c8 f6g5 c8c2 d8b6 c2c8 g5g8 c8g8
0907 07:33:26.108228 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -164 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 6 pv f2b6 g8h8 a7b5 f8g8 c7b7 f4g2 c2c7 h6g7 c7d6 f6g5 d6e7 g5e7 b7e7 g2e1 b5d6 e1f3 d6f7 h8h7 d5d6 g8b8 d6d7 h3d7 b6c7 b8b2 c7e5 f3e5 f7e5 d7h3 h1g1 b2g2 g1h1 g2f2
0907 07:33:26.108237 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -254 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 7 pv f2g3 f4g2 c7c3 h6e3 c3e3 g2e3 c2e2 f6g5 a7b5 h3f1 e2d2 f1b5 g3f2 f8f3 e1f3 g5g2
0907 07:33:26.108246 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -182 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 8 pv a2a4 g8h8 c7c3 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 f6f4 c3b3 f4g5 c2f2 g5c1 b3c3 h3g2 h1g1 g2f3 g1f1 f3g2 f1e2 c1b2 c3c2 b2b4
0907 07:33:26.108255 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -171 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 9 pv f2g1 g8h8 a7c8 h6g5 g1f2 f6g6 f2g3 f8g8 b2b4 h5h4 g3f4 g5f4 c2f2 h3c8 f2h4 f4h6 h4g3 g6f6 g3f2 c8h3 c7b7 f6f4 b7c7
0907 07:33:26.108264 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -195 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 10 pv c2d1 g8h8 c7c2 f8g8 a7b5 f6g6 f2e3 h3f1 b5d6 g6d6 d1d2 h8h7 d2f2 f1b5
0907 07:33:26.108272 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -190 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 11 pv c2c4 f4g2 c4f1 h6d2 a7c8 d2e1 f2e1 g8h8 c8e7 f8f7 c7b7 g2f4 f1b5 h3g2 h1g1 g2f3 b5e8 f7f8 e8f8
0907 07:33:26.108281 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -183 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 12 pv a2a3 g8h8 c7c3 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 f6f4 a7b5 f4d2 c2d2 h6d2 b5d6 d2e1 c3c2 e1a5 d6f7 h8g7 f7e5 g7f6 e5c4
0907 07:33:26.108290 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -158 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 13 pv c7c4 g8h8 c4c3 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 f6f4 a7b5 f4d2 c2d2 h6d2 b5d6 d2e1 c3c2 g8g7 d6e8 g7f7 c2c1 e1d2
0907 07:33:26.108302 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -194 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 14 pv b2b4 g8h8 c7c3 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 f6f4 a7b5 f4d2 c2d2 h6d2 c3c2 d2e1 b5d6 e1b4 d6f7 h8h7 f7e5 b4d6 e5d3
0907 07:33:26.108312 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -189 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 15 pv b2b3 g8h8 c7c3 f8g8 f2g3 h5h4 g3f4 f6f4 a7b5 f4d2 c2d2 h6d2 c3c2 d2e1 b5d6 g8f8 d6f5 h3f5 e4f5 h8g7 h1g2
0907 07:33:26.108322 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -224 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 16 pv c2b3 f6g6 f2g3 f4e2 b3b6 h5h4 a7c8 e2g3 h2g3 h3c8 g3h4 g6f6 b6f2 g8h8 a2a4 f8g8 a4a5 h6f4
0907 07:33:26.108333 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -290 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 17 pv c2c3 f6g5 f2g3 f4e2 c3d3 e2g3 h2g3 g5g3 d3e2 f8f4 a7c8 f4h4 c8e7 g8f8 e1g2 h3g2 h1g1 h4h1
0907 07:33:26.108343 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -236 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 18 pv c7c8 h3c8 a7c8 g8h8 c8b6 f8g8 b6c4 f4h3 f2b6 f6g5 c2g2 g5h4 g2f1 h6f4
0907 07:33:26.108353 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -286 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 19 pv a7c6 b7c6 d5c6 g8h8 c7b7 f4g2 e1g2 f6f3 f2g1 f8g8 b7b8 h3g2 c2g2 f3g2
0907 07:33:26.108362 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -265 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 20 pv c2b1 f6g5 f2g3 f4e2 b1d3 e2g3 h2g3 g5g3 d3e2 f8f4 c7c2 f4h4 e1g2 h3g2 h1g1 h4h1
0907 07:33:26.108371 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -355 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 21 pv c2d2 f4e6 d2a5 e6c7 a5c7 h6d2 a7b5 d2e1 c7g7 f6g7 f2a7 h5h4 a7f2 e1f2
0907 07:33:26.108380 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -393 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 22 pv c2a4 f4d3 a4c2 d3e1 f2e1 f6f3 h1g1 f3f1
0907 07:33:26.108388 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -405 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 23 pv c2c1 f4d3 c1c2 d3e1 f2e1 f6f3 h1g1 f3f1
0907 07:33:26.108397 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -348 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 24 pv h1g1 f6g5 f2g3 h5h4 a7c8 h4g3 c8e7 g8h8 h2g3 g5g3 g1h1 g3e1 h1h2 e1h4 c7c8 h3c8
0907 07:33:26.108406 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -537 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 25 pv f2h4 f6h4 c2d2 f8f6 a7c8 h6f8 c8e7 f8e7 c7e7 f6g6
0907 07:33:26.108415 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -531 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 26 pv c7d7 h3d7 c2c7 f8f7 c7b8 g8h7 a7c8 d7c8 b8c8
0907 07:33:26.108424 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -2017 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 27 pv c7g7 h6g7 c2c4 h5h4 a7c6 b7c6 d5c6 g8h7 c6c7 h7h6 f2e3
0907 07:33:26.108433 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -507 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 28 pv c7e7 f6e7 f2g1 h5h4 c2g2 h3g2 e1g2 h4h3 g2h4 e7h4
0907 07:33:26.108443 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -471 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 29 pv f2c5 d6c5 c2c5 g8h8 c7b7 f8g8 a7c6 f4e2 b7b8 g8b8 c6b8
0907 07:33:26.108455 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -518 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 30 pv c7h7 g8h7 c2c7 h6g7 c7b7 f4d3 b7b5 d3e1 b5e2 h3g2
0907 07:33:26.108465 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -430 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 31 pv e1d3 f4d5 d3e1 d5c7 c2c7 h6d2 c7b7 d2e1 b7b3 h3e6 b3d1 e1f2 d1f1
0907 07:33:26.108481 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -509 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 32 pv f2d4 e5d4 e4e5 f6f5 c2f5 h3f5 a7b5 d4d3 b5d6 d3d2 c7c1
0907 07:33:26.108490 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -557 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 33 pv c7c6 b7c6 d5c6 d6d5 c6c7 f6a6 c7c8q h3c8 a7c8 f8c8 f2g1
0907 07:33:26.108499 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -630 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 34 pv c7c5 d6c5 f2g1 f8f7 c2f2 f7g7 a7c8 h3c8 f2c5
0907 07:33:26.108509 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -873 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 35 pv c2c5 d6c5 a7c8 f8c8 c7c8 h3c8 e1g2 f4g2 b2b4
0907 07:33:26.108518 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -1994 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 36 pv c7f7 f6f7 f2g3 h5h4 c2g2 h3g2 e1g2 h4g3 b2b4
0907 07:33:26.108526 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -865 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 37 pv c2d3 f4d3 a7c8 d3f2 h1g1 f8c8 c7c2 c8c2 e1c2 f6f3 c2e3 f3e3
0907 07:33:26.108535 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -968 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 38 pv c2c6 b7c6 a7c8 f8c8 c7c8 h3c8 f2a7 c6d5 a7f2 d5e4
0907 07:33:26.108543 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -835 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 39 pv e1g2 h3g2 h1g1 g2f3 a7c8 f6g5 g1f1 g5g2 f1e1
0907 07:33:26.108552 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -918 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 40 pv c2e2 f4e2 a7c8 f8c8 c7c8 h3c8 f2h4 f6h4 e1g2 h4f2
0907 07:33:26.108740 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2e2  (253 ) N:    1404 (+ 0) (P:  0.55%) (Q: -0.97514) (D:  0.014) (U: 0.78262) (Q+U: -0.19252) (V: -0.9970) 
0907 07:33:26.108754 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string e1g2  (108 ) N:    1467 (+ 0) (P:  0.57%) (Q: -0.97203) (D:  0.017) (U: 0.77927) (Q+U: -0.19277) (V: -0.9942) 
0907 07:33:26.108762 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2c6  (269 ) N:    1487 (+ 0) (P:  0.58%) (Q: -0.97673) (D:  0.014) (U: 0.78396) (Q+U: -0.19276) (V: -0.9964) 
0907 07:33:26.108771 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2d3  (260 ) N:    1491 (+ 0) (P:  0.58%) (Q: -0.97325) (D:  0.014) (U: 0.78084) (Q+U: -0.19242) (V: -0.9965) 
0907 07:33:26.108779 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7f7  (1452) N:    1523 (+ 0) (P:  0.61%) (Q: -0.99040) (D:  0.006) (U: 0.79758) (Q+U: -0.19282) (V: -0.9894) 
0907 07:33:26.108788 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2c5  (267 ) N:    1527 (+ 0) (P:  0.59%) (Q: -0.97356) (D:  0.016) (U: 0.78072) (Q+U: -0.19284) (V: -0.9971) 
0907 07:33:26.108798 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7c5  (1440) N:    1606 (+ 0) (P:  0.61%) (Q: -0.95990) (D:  0.026) (U: 0.76710) (Q+U: -0.19281) (V: -0.9790) 
0907 07:33:26.108811 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7c6  (1445) N:    1631 (+ 0) (P:  0.62%) (Q: -0.95276) (D:  0.030) (U: 0.76027) (Q+U: -0.19249) (V: -0.9740) 
0907 07:33:26.108820 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2d4  (349 ) N:    1648 (+ 0) (P:  0.62%) (Q: -0.94648) (D:  0.031) (U: 0.75406) (Q+U: -0.19242) (V: -0.9791) 
0907 07:33:26.108828 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string e1d3  (110 ) N:    1676 (+ 0) (P:  0.62%) (Q: -0.93138) (D:  0.043) (U: 0.73873) (Q+U: -0.19265) (V: -0.9577) 
0907 07:33:26.108836 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7h7  (1454) N:    1752 (+ 0) (P:  0.66%) (Q: -0.94773) (D:  0.029) (U: 0.75515) (Q+U: -0.19258) (V: -0.9844) 
0907 07:33:26.108845 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2c5  (354 ) N:    1795 (+ 0) (P:  0.67%) (Q: -0.94018) (D:  0.036) (U: 0.74773) (Q+U: -0.19246) (V: -0.9347) 
0907 07:33:26.108853 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7e7  (1451) N:    1816 (+ 0) (P:  0.68%) (Q: -0.94618) (D:  0.032) (U: 0.75361) (Q+U: -0.19256) (V: -0.9554) 
0907 07:33:26.108861 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7g7  (1453) N:    1832 (+ 0) (P:  0.73%) (Q: -0.99053) (D:  0.007) (U: 0.79796) (Q+U: -0.19257) (V: -0.9942) 
0907 07:33:26.108869 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7d7  (1450) N:    1841 (+ 0) (P:  0.70%) (Q: -0.94955) (D:  0.029) (U: 0.75709) (Q+U: -0.19246) (V: -0.9326) 
0907 07:33:26.108878 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2h4  (353 ) N:    1885 (+ 0) (P:  0.71%) (Q: -0.95032) (D:  0.012) (U: 0.75789) (Q+U: -0.19243) (V: -0.6225) 
0907 07:33:26.108886 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string h1g1  (177 ) N:    2365 (+ 0) (P:  0.84%) (Q: -0.90323) (D:  0.057) (U: 0.71086) (Q+U: -0.19237) (V: -0.8341) 
0907 07:33:26.108894 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2c1  (247 ) N:    2591 (+ 0) (P:  0.95%) (Q: -0.92498) (D:  0.044) (U: 0.73242) (Q+U: -0.19256) (V: -0.9683) 
0907 07:33:26.108903 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2a4  (262 ) N:    2643 (+ 0) (P:  0.96%) (Q: -0.92109) (D:  0.047) (U: 0.72844) (Q+U: -0.19265) (V: -0.9528) 
0907 07:33:26.108911 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2d2  (252 ) N:    2678 (+ 0) (P:  0.95%) (Q: -0.90645) (D:  0.049) (U: 0.71407) (Q+U: -0.19239) (V: -0.8593) 
0907 07:33:26.108919 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2b1  (246 ) N:    2772 (+ 0) (P:  0.89%) (Q: -0.83281) (D:  0.100) (U: 0.64019) (Q+U: -0.19262) (V: -0.9451) 
0907 07:33:26.108928 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string a7c6  (1393) N:    3240 (+ 0) (P:  1.08%) (Q: -0.85909) (D:  0.080) (U: 0.66674) (Q+U: -0.19235) (V: -0.7557) 
0907 07:33:26.108941 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7c8  (1457) N:    3865 (+ 0) (P:  1.13%) (Q: -0.77937) (D:  0.137) (U: 0.58686) (Q+U: -0.19251) (V: -0.4687) 
0907 07:33:26.108949 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2c3  (259 ) N:    4161 (+ 0) (P:  1.39%) (Q: -0.86324) (D:  0.073) (U: 0.67088) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.7965) 
0907 07:33:26.108958 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2b3  (258 ) N:    5657 (+ 0) (P:  1.56%) (Q: -0.74713) (D:  0.136) (U: 0.55476) (Q+U: -0.19238) (V: -0.7570) 
0907 07:33:26.108966 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string b2b3  (230 ) N:    6256 (+ 0) (P:  1.40%) (Q: -0.64119) (D:  0.195) (U: 0.44882) (Q+U: -0.19237) (V: -0.6971) 
0907 07:33:26.108975 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string b2b4  (234 ) N:    6538 (+ 0) (P:  1.52%) (Q: -0.65859) (D:  0.189) (U: 0.46621) (Q+U: -0.19238) (V: -0.7052) 
0907 07:33:26.108983 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7c4  (1436) N:    6811 (+ 0) (P:  1.17%) (Q: -0.53582) (D:  0.265) (U: 0.34339) (Q+U: -0.19243) (V: -0.6235) 
0907 07:33:26.108995 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string a2a3  (204 ) N:    6954 (+ 0) (P:  1.49%) (Q: -0.62251) (D:  0.204) (U: 0.43007) (Q+U: -0.19244) (V: -0.7020) 
0907 07:33:26.109003 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2c4  (264 ) N:    7014 (+ 0) (P:  1.58%) (Q: -0.64555) (D:  0.176) (U: 0.45312) (Q+U: -0.19243) (V: -0.7986) 
0907 07:33:26.109012 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c2d1  (248 ) N:    7083 (+ 0) (P:  1.65%) (Q: -0.65943) (D:  0.195) (U: 0.46707) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.6348) 
0907 07:33:26.109020 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2g1  (335 ) N:   10482 (+ 0) (P:  2.03%) (Q: -0.58045) (D:  0.208) (U: 0.38803) (Q+U: -0.19241) (V: -0.4794) 
0907 07:33:26.109029 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string a2a4  (207 ) N:   15905 (+ 0) (P:  3.39%) (Q: -0.61959) (D:  0.198) (U: 0.42719) (Q+U: -0.19239) (V: -0.6122) 
0907 07:33:26.109038 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2g3  (347 ) N:   17235 (+ 0) (P:  5.35%) (Q: -0.81549) (D:  0.096) (U: 0.62313) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.2672) 
0907 07:33:26.109046 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2b6  (356 ) N:   18187 (+ 0) (P:  3.32%) (Q: -0.55856) (D:  0.216) (U: 0.36619) (Q+U: -0.19237) (V: -0.3530) 
0907 07:33:26.109055 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string f2e3  (345 ) N:   35755 (+ 0) (P: 10.95%) (Q: -0.80681) (D:  0.083) (U: 0.61445) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.2277) 
0907 07:33:26.109063 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7c3  (1434) N:   46187 (+ 0) (P:  2.76%) (Q: -0.31233) (D:  0.347) (U: 0.11998) (Q+U: -0.19235) (V: -0.3770) 
0907 07:33:26.109072 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string a7b5  (1389) N:  103980 (+ 0) (P: 12.32%) (Q: -0.43008) (D:  0.332) (U: 0.23772) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.5461) 
0907 07:33:26.109084 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string c7b7  (1449) N:  436007 (+ 0) (P: 14.71%) (Q: -0.26003) (D:  0.403) (U: 0.06767) (Q+U: -0.19236) (V: -0.4700) 
0907 07:33:26.109093 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << info string a7c8  (1403) N: 99219259 (+70) (P: 16.50%) (Q: -0.19269) (D:  0.552) (U: 0.00033) (Q+U: -0.19235) (V: -0.3234) 
0907 07:33:26.109103 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:294] --- Opponent moves after: a7c8
0907 07:33:26.109243 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6f7  (572 ) N:     761 (+ 0) (P:  0.43%) (Q: -0.93760) (D:  0.040) (U: 1.13140) (Q+U:  0.19380) (V: -0.8876) 
0907 07:33:26.109251 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6e7  (571 ) N:     883 (+ 0) (P:  0.53%) (Q: -0.99328) (D:  0.005) (U: 1.18763) (Q+U:  0.19435) (V: -0.9970) 
0907 07:33:26.109256 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6f5  (584 ) N:     911 (+ 0) (P:  0.54%) (Q: -0.98947) (D:  0.007) (U: 1.18373) (Q+U:  0.19426) (V: -0.9964) 
0907 07:33:26.109262 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6h4  (591 ) N:     921 (+ 0) (P:  0.54%) (Q: -0.97352) (D:  0.017) (U: 1.16842) (Q+U:  0.19490) (V: -0.9899) 
0907 07:33:26.109267 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6e6  (579 ) N:    1020 (+ 0) (P:  0.61%) (Q: -0.98963) (D:  0.006) (U: 1.18380) (Q+U:  0.19417) (V: -0.9940) 
0907 07:33:26.109273 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6g7  (573 ) N:    1026 (+ 0) (P:  0.58%) (Q: -0.93657) (D:  0.035) (U: 1.13164) (Q+U:  0.19507) (V: -0.7876) 
0907 07:33:26.109279 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3f5  (1361) N:    1035 (+ 0) (P:  0.61%) (Q: -0.97253) (D:  0.017) (U: 1.16702) (Q+U:  0.19449) (V: -0.9398) 
0907 07:33:26.109284 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3e6  (1359) N:    1067 (+ 0) (P:  0.62%) (Q: -0.96145) (D:  0.024) (U: 1.15559) (Q+U:  0.19414) (V: -0.9278) 
0907 07:33:26.109290 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6g6  (580 ) N:    1092 (+ 0) (P:  0.61%) (Q: -0.92220) (D:  0.046) (U: 1.11661) (Q+U:  0.19442) (V: -0.6182) 
0907 07:33:26.109299 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6h8  (569 ) N:    1143 (+ 0) (P:  0.59%) (Q: -0.83072) (D:  0.112) (U: 1.02556) (Q+U:  0.19484) (V: -0.8635) 
0907 07:33:26.109305 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4e6  (1058) N:    1328 (+ 0) (P:  0.76%) (Q: -0.94046) (D:  0.030) (U: 1.13523) (Q+U:  0.19478) (V: -0.7133) 
0907 07:33:26.109310 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3g4  (1365) N:    1784 (+ 0) (P:  0.94%) (Q: -0.85954) (D:  0.071) (U: 1.05429) (Q+U:  0.19475) (V: -0.5200) 
0907 07:33:26.109316 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3d7  (1357) N:    1981 (+ 0) (P:  1.12%) (Q: -0.93466) (D:  0.034) (U: 1.12933) (Q+U:  0.19467) (V: -0.2280) 
0907 07:33:26.109321 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4e2  (1080) N:    2216 (+ 0) (P:  1.17%) (Q: -0.85552) (D:  0.084) (U: 1.05050) (Q+U:  0.19498) (V: -0.5771) 
0907 07:33:26.109327 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4d5  (1062) N:    2280 (+ 0) (P:  1.27%) (Q: -0.91444) (D:  0.039) (U: 1.10951) (Q+U:  0.19507) (V: -0.2606) 
0907 07:33:26.109332 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h6g7  (631 ) N:    2562 (+ 0) (P:  0.84%) (Q: -0.45860) (D:  0.319) (U: 0.65373) (Q+U:  0.19514) (V: -0.3724) 
0907 07:33:26.109338 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6d8  (565 ) N:    2974 (+ 0) (P:  1.08%) (Q: -0.52833) (D:  0.278) (U: 0.72320) (Q+U:  0.19487) (V: -0.3333) 
0907 07:33:26.109343 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] b7b6  (230 ) N:    3644 (+ 0) (P:  0.93%) (Q: -0.31465) (D:  0.357) (U: 0.50961) (Q+U:  0.19496) (V: -0.4966) 
0907 07:33:26.109349 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3f1  (1377) N:    3875 (+ 0) (P:  1.50%) (Q: -0.57506) (D:  0.245) (U: 0.77024) (Q+U:  0.19518) (V: -0.3667) 
0907 07:33:26.109354 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f8d8  (125 ) N:    4016 (+ 0) (P:  1.38%) (Q: -0.49031) (D:  0.280) (U: 0.68538) (Q+U:  0.19507) (V: -0.3985) 
0907 07:33:26.109360 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f6g5  (585 ) N:    4322 (+ 0) (P:  1.41%) (Q: -0.45458) (D:  0.293) (U: 0.64973) (Q+U:  0.19515) (V: -0.4312) 
0907 07:33:26.109366 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] b7b5  (234 ) N:    5461 (+ 0) (P:  1.09%) (Q: -0.20496) (D:  0.439) (U: 0.40004) (Q+U:  0.19509) (V: -0.2855) 
0907 07:33:26.109371 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f8c8  (124 ) N:    5473 (+ 0) (P:  2.99%) (Q: -0.89681) (D:  0.060) (U: 1.09189) (Q+U:  0.19508) (V: -0.2468) 
0907 07:33:26.109377 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h5h4  (888 ) N:    6575 (+ 0) (P:  1.75%) (Q: -0.33761) (D:  0.398) (U: 0.53275) (Q+U:  0.19514) (V: -0.1470) 
0907 07:33:26.109382 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3c8  (1355) N:    7916 (+ 0) (P:  4.26%) (Q: -0.87799) (D:  0.083) (U: 1.07318) (Q+U:  0.19519) (V: -0.4337) 
0907 07:33:26.109388 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h3g2  (1375) N:    9896 (+ 0) (P:  5.48%) (Q: -0.91023) (D:  0.053) (U: 1.10534) (Q+U:  0.19511) (V: -0.0698) 
0907 07:33:26.109393 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4g2  (1082) N:   11201 (+ 0) (P:  5.70%) (Q: -0.82112) (D:  0.090) (U: 1.01628) (Q+U:  0.19515) (V: -0.1384) 
0907 07:33:26.109399 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4d3  (1074) N:   21265 (+ 0) (P: 11.69%) (Q: -0.90182) (D:  0.045) (U: 1.09702) (Q+U:  0.19520) (V:  0.1068) 
0907 07:33:26.109404 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f8f7  (131 ) N:   26669 (+ 0) (P:  7.40%) (Q: -0.35902) (D:  0.350) (U: 0.55422) (Q+U:  0.19520) (V: -0.0592) 
0907 07:33:26.109410 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] h6g5  (641 ) N:   35662 (+ 0) (P:  9.91%) (Q: -0.35970) (D:  0.402) (U: 0.55490) (Q+U:  0.19520) (V:  0.0454) 
0907 07:33:26.109416 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f4g6  (1060) N:   50280 (+ 0) (P:  9.99%) (Q: -0.20128) (D:  0.388) (U: 0.39648) (Q+U:  0.19520) (V: -0.0267) 
0907 07:33:26.109421 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] g8h8  (153 ) N:   68322 (+ 0) (P: 14.77%) (Q: -0.23641) (D:  0.458) (U: 0.43161) (Q+U:  0.19520) (V:  0.1647) 
0907 07:33:26.109429 140103610525440 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:299] f8e8  (126 ) N: 98929697 (+70) (P:  6.93%) (Q:  0.19507) (D:  0.554) (U: 0.00014) (Q+U:  0.19521) (V: -0.2590) 
0907 07:33:26.109438 140103610525440 ../../src/chess/uciloop.cc:218] << bestmove a7c8 ponder f8e8
0907 07:33:26.109463 140103618918144 ../../src/mcts/search.cc:700] End a watchdog thread.

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by jp » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:09 pm

zullil wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:46 am
Lc0 (network 320x24.J13-swa-410000) with 100M nodes gives:

info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -56 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 1 pv a7c8 f8e8 c8b6 g8h8 f2g3 e8g8 c2f2 f4g6 b6c4 h5h4 c7b7 h4g3 h2g3 g6f4 g3f4 h6f4 c4d6 f6d6 f2h4 d6h6 h4h6 f4h6 b7e7 g8g6 e7e5 h8g7 e5h5 h3f1 h5h4 h6d2 e1c2 f1g2 h1h2 d2g5 c2d4 g5h4 d4f5 g7f8 f5h4 g6h6 h2g3 g2f1 h4f5 h6a6 e4e5 f1d3 f5d4 a6a5 d5d6 a5d5 d4e6 f8f7 e6g5 f7e8 g3f4 e8d7 a2a3 d5c5 g5e4 d3e4 f4e4 d7e6 f3f4 c5c4 e4f3 c4a4 b2b4 e6d5 f3g4 a4a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7f8 a3a4 d5e6 a4a5 f8b8 a5a6 e6d7 a6a7 b8a8 g4f5 a8a7 f5e4 a7a1 e4d5 a1d1 d5c5 d7e6 b4b5 d1c1 c5d4 c1f1 d4c5 f1f4
Thanks. This looks interesting. It looks like at least the start of LC0's PV is SF-non-dev's 2nd line with almost the same score.

zullil
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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by zullil » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:24 pm

jp wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:09 pm
zullil wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:46 am
Lc0 (network 320x24.J13-swa-410000) with 100M nodes gives:

info depth 59 seldepth 111 time 4278801 nodes 100000007 score cp -56 hashfull 218 nps 23234 tbhits 2177196 multipv 1 pv a7c8 f8e8 c8b6 g8h8 f2g3 e8g8 c2f2 f4g6 b6c4 h5h4 c7b7 h4g3 h2g3 g6f4 g3f4 h6f4 c4d6 f6d6 f2h4 d6h6 h4h6 f4h6 b7e7 g8g6 e7e5 h8g7 e5h5 h3f1 h5h4 h6d2 e1c2 f1g2 h1h2 d2g5 c2d4 g5h4 d4f5 g7f8 f5h4 g6h6 h2g3 g2f1 h4f5 h6a6 e4e5 f1d3 f5d4 a6a5 d5d6 a5d5 d4e6 f8f7 e6g5 f7e8 g3f4 e8d7 a2a3 d5c5 g5e4 d3e4 f4e4 d7e6 f3f4 c5c4 e4f3 c4a4 b2b4 e6d5 f3g4 a4a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7a7 g4f5 a7f7 f5g4 f7f8 a3a4 d5e6 a4a5 f8b8 a5a6 e6d7 a6a7 b8a8 g4f5 a8a7 f5e4 a7a1 e4d5 a1d1 d5c5 d7e6 b4b5 d1c1 c5d4 c1f1 d4c5 f1f4
Thanks. This looks interesting. It looks like at least the start of LC0's PV is SF-non-dev's 2nd line with almost the same score.
Here's what Stockfish-dev has at the moment:

0.00 29. Rxb7 Kh8 30. Nb5 Rc8 31. Rc7 Rb8 32. a4 Ng2 33. Qe2 Rg8 34. Bg3 Nxe1 35. Nxd6 Qxd6 36. Rc6 Qf8 37. Bxe5+ Kh7 38. Rc7+ Rg7 39. Bxg7 Bxg7 40. f4 Qxf4 41. Qxh5+ Qh6 42. Rxg7+ Kxg7 43. Qe5+ Kf8 44. Qb8+ Kf7 45. Qc7+ Kg6 46. Qd6+ Kh5 47. Qg3 Bg2+ 48. Kg1 Qb6+ 49. Qf2 Qb4 50. Qf5+ Kh6 51. Qe6+ Kh7 52. Qf5+ (depth 54, 2:25:30)

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by zullil » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:33 pm

jp wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:14 am
jp wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:00 am
jp wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:05 pm


The Chessbase human games-trained NN is reported to have eval -1.22, and SF 0.00. (Nodes/Depth not known.)
SF-non-dev, depth=48:

0.00 29.Rxb7 Kh8 30.Nb5 Rg8 31.Bg3 h4 32.Bxf4 Bxf4 33.Qf2 Qh6 34.Qa7 Be3 35.Rh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxe3 Rg6 37.Nc3 Qd7 38.Qf2 Kg8 39.Nd1 Rg7 40.Qxh4 Qa7 41.Nf2 Bd7 42.Ng4 Bxg4 43.fxg4 Qxa2 44.Qd8+ Kh7 45.Qf6 Qa1 46.Qf5+ Rg6 47.Qf7+ Rg7

Louis, can you see what SF-dev or Lc says??
I'm beginning to wonder if it really is a draw.
Me too. After some forward and backward analysis:

0.00 29. Nc8 Re8 30. Nb6 Kh8 31. Bg3 Rg8 32. Qf2 Ng6 33. Nc4 h4 34. Rxb7 hxg3 35. hxg3 Nf4 36. gxf4 Bxf4 37. Nxd6 Qxd6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Qxh6+ Bxh6 40. Re7 Rg6 41. Rxe5 Kg7 42. Rh5 Bf1 43. Rh4 Bd2 44. Nc2 Kf6 45. d6 Rg7 46. Nd4 Be3 47. Nf5 Rg1+ 48. Kh2 Rg2+ 49. Kh1 (depth 55, 0:42:34)

0.00 29. Rxb7 Kh8 30. Nb5 Rc8 31. Rc7 Rg8 32. Bg3 h4 33. Bxf4 Bxf4 34. Qf2 Qh6 35. Qa7 Be3 36. Rh7+ Qxh7 37. Qxe3 Rg6 38. a4 Qg7 39. Qf2 Kg8 40. Nc3 Qh6 41. Na2 Qg5 42. b4 Rg7 43. b5 Bd7 44. Nb4 h3 45. Ned3 Qh6 46. Ne1 (depth 55, 0:42:34)

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by jp » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:38 pm

jp wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:14 am
5rk1/NpR5/3p1q1b/3Pp2p/4Pn2/5P1b/PPQ2B1P/4N2K w - - 9 29

SF-non-dev, depth=50, PV=2:
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-0.55 29.Nc8 Re8 30.Nb6 Kh8 31.Bg3 Rg8 32.Qf2 Ng6 33.Rxb7 h4 34.Nc4 hxg3 35.hxg3 Nf4 36.gxf4 Bxf4 37.Nxd6 Qxd6 38.Qh4+ Qh6 39.Qxh6+ Bxh6 40.Re7 Rg6 41.Rxe5 Kg7 42.Rh5 Bf1 43.Rh4 Bd2 44.Nc2 Bg2+ 45.Kh2 Bg5 46.Kxg2 Bxh4+ 47.Kf1 Ra6 48.Nb4 Ra8 49.Ke2 Kf7 50.a3 Bf6 51.Nd3 Bd4 52.f4 Rb8 53.e5 Bxb2 54.Nxb2 Rxb2+ 55.Kd3 Ra2 56.Ke4 Re2+ 57.Kd4 Re1 58.f5 Ra1 59.d6 Rxa3 60.Ke4 Ra4+ 61.Ke3 Rg4

I'm beginning to wonder if it really is a draw.
zullil wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:33 pm
Me too. After some forward and backward analysis:

0.00 29. Nc8 Re8 30. Nb6 Kh8 31. Bg3 Rg8 32. Qf2 Ng6 33. Nc4 h4 34. Rxb7 hxg3 35. hxg3 Nf4 36. gxf4 Bxf4 37. Nxd6 Qxd6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Qxh6+ Bxh6 40. Re7 Rg6 41. Rxe5 Kg7 42. Rh5 Bf1 43. Rh4 Bd2 44. Nc2 Kf6 45. d6 Rg7 46. Nd4 Be3 47. Nf5 Rg1+ 48. Kh2 Rg2+ 49. Kh1 (depth 55, 0:42:34)
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In the SF-non-dev, depth=50 version of this line (they agree for 8 plies), the position after 46...Bxh4+ is



and after 54...Rxb2 it is



which is a tablebase draw.

I'll look at Leela's lines next.

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by jp » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:08 am


zullil wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:22 pm
Now at

info depth 56 seldepth 109 multipv 1 score cp -225 nodes 166645749526 nps 21408155 hashfull 1000 tbhits 0 time 7784218 pv b7c6 d5c6 d7b6 a2a4 c8e6 a4a5 b6c4 d1b3 d6d5 a1d1 c4e3 e4d5 e6g8 e1d3 f6e7 d3e5 d8d6 e5d7 d6b4 b3b4 e7b4 d7f8 g7f8 c3b5 b4a5 d1d4 e3f1 e2f1 a5b6 d4f4 f8g7 f1c4 a8d8 f4f5 g8f7 f5g5 g7h8 h1h2 a7a6 b5c3 b6e3 g5f5 f7g6 f5f6 h8g7 f6e6 e3f4 h2h3 g6f7 e6e4 f4d6 f3f4 f7g6 f4f5 d8h8 h3g2 h8h2 g2f1 g6f7 c3e2 h2h3 e2d4 h3c3 d4e6 f7e6 d5e6 g7f6 c4a6 c3c6 a6d3 c6c1 f1f2 c1c3 f2e2 c3a3 e4c4 a3b3 e2e3 b3b4 c4b4 d6b4 e3e4 b4d2 e4d5 f6e7 d5c6 d2e3 d3c4 e3f4

cp -225, so from the computer's perspective (i.e., Black's perspective) things are looking grim!
zullil wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:47 pm
jp wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:33 pm
SF-non-dev favors Black far beyond that.
Wow, you're right. Sf-10 is very different than Sf-dev on this position. Black is considered better until here in my new search.

info depth 32 seldepth 54 multipv 1 score cp -12 nodes 2923895952 nps 20410286 hashfull 794 tbhits 0 time 143256 pv d7b8 b4b5 a7a6 a2a4 d8e8 e2c4 e8f7 c6b7 c8b7 b5a6 b8a6 e1d3 f7e7 h1h2 f6h4 c3e2 a6c5 d3c5 d6c5 a4a5 f8h8 a5a6 b7c8 f1g1 h4f2 d1f1 f2g1 f1g1 a8a7 e2c3 e7h4 c3e2
SF-non-dev stays stuck at 0.00 at quite high depths:

depth=44
0.00 20...bxc6 21.dxc6 Nb6 22.a4 Be6 23.a5 Nc8 24.b5 Rh8 25.Nd5 Bh4 26.Bc4 Ne7 27.Nd3 Rb8 28.Qe2 Nxd5 29.Bxd5 Bxd5 30.exd5 Qg8 31.Rad1 Qxd5 32.Nxf4 Qxb5 33.Nh5+ Kh6 34.Qe4 Qb3 35.f4 Rb4 36.Qf5 Qa2 37.Rf2 Qg8 38.Rg1 Bxf2 39.Qf6+ Kh7 40.Qe7+ Kh6

depth=45
+0.16 20...bxc6 21.dxc6 Nb6 22.a4 Be6 23.a5 Nc8 24.b5 Ne7 25.Qa4 Bc8 26.Bc4 a6 27.bxa6 Qe8 28.Nc2 Qxc6 29.Qxc6 Nxc6 30.Rfc1 Kg6 31.Nd5 Bd8 32.Kh2 Rh8 33.Bb5 Nb8 34.Ncb4 Ra7 35.Nxc7 Bxc7 36.Nd5 Nxa6 37.Bxa6 Bxa6 38.Rxc7 Rxc7 39.Nxc7 Be2 40.a6 Bxf3 41.Nb5 Kf6 42.Nxd6 Ke6 43.Nc4 Bxe4 44.a7 Ba8 45.Ra6+ Kd5 46.Nb6+ Kd4 47.Ra4+ Kc5 48.Nxa8

depth=46
0.00 20...bxc6 21.dxc6 Nb6 22.a4 Be6 23.a5 Nc8 24.b5 Ne7 25.Qa4 Bc8 26.Bc4 a6 27.bxa6 Qe8 28.Nd3 Qxc6 29.Qxc6 Nxc6 30.Bd5 Rxa6 31.Nb5 Bd8 32.Bxc6 Rxc6 33.Na7 Rc3 34.Nxc8 Rxd3 35.Rfc1 c5 36.a6 Bh4 37.Nb6 Rxf3 38.a7 Rf2 39.Rf1 Rg2 40.a8=Q Rxa8 41.Nxa8 Bg3 42.Ra6 Rb2 43.Nc7 f3 44.Ne8+ Kg6 45.Rxd6+ Kg5 46.Rd3 Kxg4 47.Rdxf3 Rh2+ 48.Kg1 Rg2+ 49.Kh1


What is it not seeing that SF-dev is? And what is Leela's PV (and eval)?

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by Dann Corbit » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:13 am

Nb6 may also win.

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r1bq1r2/pppn2k1/2Pp1b2/3Pp3/1P2PpP1/2N2P1p/P3B3/R2QNR1K b - - acd 42; ce -158; acs 784; acn 7256000; pv bxc6 dxc6 Nb6 a4 Be6 a5 Nc4 Qb3 d5 Rd1 Ne3 exd5 Nxd1 Bxd1 Bf7 Nd3 Qd6 Qc4 Rfd8 Nc5 Be7 Qe2 e4 fxe4 Qe5 Qc4 Bxc5 Qxc5 Rh8 Bf3 h2 b5 Bg6 Qb4 Rad8 Ne2 Rh3 Qd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Rxf3 Rxf3 Bxe4 Ne6+ Kf6 Nxd8 Bxf3+ Kxh2 Bxd5 b6 axb6 axb6 cxb6 c7 ; bm bxc6;
r1bq1r2/pppn2k1/2Pp1b2/3Pp3/1P2PpP1/2N2P1p/P3B3/R2QNR1K b - - acd 43; ce -124; acs 997; acn 9231000; pv bxc6 dxc6 Nb6 a4 Be6 a5 Nc4 Qb3 d5 Rd1 Ne3 exd5 Bg8 Nd3 Be7 Qb2 Bd6 Ne4 Qe7 Nxd6 cxd6 b5 Bxd5 Nb4 Bf7 b6 axb6 axb6 Nxd1 Bxd1 Rfb8 b7 Rxb7 cxb7 Qxb7 Qd2 Qb5 Be2 Qc5 Bd3 Ra4 Rb1 Qe3 Qxe3 fxe3 Be2 Ra8 Kh2 Rb8 Rb2 d5 Nd3 Rxb2 Nxb2 Kf6 Kxh3 d4 Kg2 Kg5 Kf1 Bg6 Nd3 Bxd3 Bxd3 Kf4 Ke2 ; bm bxc6;
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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by jp » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:33 am

What engine is that, Dann?

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Re: Out of the Kai 450 positions, 99 not found by SF

Post by Dann Corbit » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:34 am

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